2005 October

“I” watch public access – sounds as if the truth is in “I” to me :-)

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…reminds me of a Durga Puja I attended here in Fairfield a few months back — the first such since leaving the TMO, IIRC, several decades ago. For some time during the ceremony, I wondered why I was there, as absolutely nothing was going on out there (though the ritual was
interesting enough). Then I thought to look in here, inside the physical body, and was awestruck at the complexity of the tiny impulses being awakened within the form with every name chanted. It culminated with my physical form becoming that of Durga. Then for a
number of days I got as sick as I have ever been since awakening. *LOL* All in all, a truly enjoyable and enlivening and purifying experience! :-)

PS I too had absolutely no desires outstanding “out there” — except
a slight curiosity as to the Pua :-)

PPS Well, I still don’t know about the Pua — but I meant the Puja.

 

:-)

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HA! To see perfection in imperfection and imperfection in perfection —
  this is Wisdom indeed…

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We see what we want to see, and what we see is *always*
some aspect of our Self. (What else is there?) If what we see doesn’t
*appear* to be some aspect of our Self, it’s because we have certain
preconceptions about what our Self *is* that don’t match our
perceptions. If we truly want to know our Self in its fullness, we are
continually called and challenged to surrender our preconceptions into
an acceptance of that which is standing right in in front of us.

:-)

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Or, if this doesn’t ring for us in this moment, perhaps we are called
in the opposite direction — to completely deny everything we have
identified with, until the Self stands utterly alone. Whole-hearted or
empty-hearted, the end-result would appear to be the same, so long as we are consistent and integral.

:-)

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*lol* Nothing wrong with a simple reversal of roles, of course, but
how about an envisoning of a partnership of genuine equality and
balance between *two* powerful, self-actualized people?

:-)

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Bringing this back to a creative projection through the body, we
might see an emphasis on the dominance of matriarchy over the
dominance of patriarchy as a continuation of the old see-saw of left-
nostril dominance or right-nostril dominance: “Now I am dominant
male (and you are submissive female)” = Pingala, right nostril;
*or* “Now I am dominant female (and you are submissive male)” = Ida, left nostril. How would it be if *both* nostrils are enlivened simulataneously, and the relationship is Sushumna?

:-)

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Or inconsistent and fragmented; no matter; also good. This too, and
this neither. Believe in the dream or not, waking up is inevitable,
and we always support the dream in its entirety, whether we are
consciously aligned with this support or not. :-( :-) :-( :-)

There is no real way we can speed up or slow down the Realization
that will never happen and that has already happened. Until we
swallow time, and embrace the imperfection, we are swallowed by it,
and embraced by it. So?

> :-)

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HA! We see what we need to see, all right. If we cannot accept
imperfections with unconditional Love, we will see them everywhere
until we can! (you-know-what coming up a few lines below; you may want to stop reading now)
(Seriously, stop reading now or you may get mildly irritated)

 

(or even more than mildly irritated)

 

(well you can’t say I didn’t warn you)
:-)
 
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“Banshee” from “Bean Sidhe,” female fairy; Irish “Sidhe” apparently
being cognate with Sanskrit “Siddha” … ?

 

 
:-)

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Here’s a thought. Are *any* thoughts true and useful?
And is this your thought or mine?

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Some members of our Satsang in Fairfield were laughing about THAT just the other day! Brahman Brew — for its full-bodied flavor.

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Yes. I am thinking that a taste of the non-dual, whether from a
teacher or from drugs, is probably still perceived as coming from
the outside; one probably then still hasn’t fully understood the
mechanics of ignorance and of self-recognition…

 

:-)

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Aaaah… the taste that refreshes!

 

:-)

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Yes, I didn’t describe that too clearly — it should have read, “at
the complexity of impulses being awakened within the form with all
the names chanted.” Each name awakened or lit up a specific simple
impulse within the form, the whole forming a complex pattern …
:-)

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I have also been fortunate to work with some
wonderfully enlightened people who have actually been essentially or
completely unware of their own enlightenment, by virtue of that
slight misunderstanding of the nature of (the remains of) ignorance:
i.e., petty suffering we resist or ignore doesn’t really go away; it
just remains in ignorance, becoming heavier and darker the more we
ignore it. Paradoxically the more we ignore it, the more it binds
our attention until we find ourselves immersed in and fully
identified with suffering. Separating ourselves from the suffering
just enough to gain an unshakable foothold (often easiest to do by
locating it in the body, and/or remembering who we “really are”),
and then approaching it with an embrace of unconditional love,
allowing it to feel, breathe, etc., lightens it quickly up into its
true nature of radiant bliss. To my eye anyhow, these people are the
most amazingly blazing Suns of Brahman who were more or less
completely overlooking their own light and love and powerful
attention fields by empowering ignorance and the darkness of
suffering and not-love, all merely unrecognized and unloved portions
of themSelves!

:-)
 
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…Rasa’s website identifies Swami G. as Swami Ganga-Puri
Kaliuttamananda-Giri, whose site is KundaliniSupport.com.

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Yes, excellent point — as if conventional treatment is somehow NOT
a part of “God” or wholeness — the old ignoring-the-helicopter-
while-waiting-for-God-to-rescue-us-from-the-roof dodge :-)

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…while technically all are blazing Brahman already, some appear to blaze a lot brighter than others in this moment — i.e., probably have done enough work clarifying the intellect and so on that Brahman is more self-evident in them; their attention-field is obviously waves of light and so on. To me anyhow:
because they are (presumably) travelling inside the light-wave of their own attention, they don’t appear to see it; they only tend to notice that the erstwhile-heavy object of their unconditional attention is “lightening up” into bliss and so on. It is simply that they had been unaware of the “tamasic” or darkening/thickening approach they had taken in resisting, avoiding or ignoring the particle of ignorance :-)

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Energy (ananda, bliss, laughter, Shiva) = Mass (sat, love, Vishnu)
times the speed of light (chit, consciousness, Brahma) squared
(aware of itself). Mass resisted (denied the light of self-
knowledge) becomes painful tamas instead of blissful dissolution;
hindering the free-flow of the gunas through the hiranyagarbha
attention-field :-)

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It would *appear* anyhow that the Brahma-point at the center of the
Hiranyagarbha (poised between the mountain-cone of Vishnu and the
upside down cone of Shiva) becomes aware of itself via a very
quick “churning” or “washing-machine” back-and-forth rotation which
casts light-waves spiralling out first in one direction, then in the
other — in cross-currents (hence, aware of itself), and that the
nodes at the intersections of the spirals form the bejeweled matrices
of subtle-mind-matter impulses (devas) :-)

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And it would appear that when one’s Brahma or creative consciousness withholds approval or Self-knowledge from a given mind-matter impulse, then that impulse separates/is separated from the Whole and holds that “not-good/not-God” belief about itself (i.e. thinks itself “rebellious” or “demonic”) until it is relieved, dissolved, lightened up, healed and integrated by an unconditional re-appraisal from that same Brahma-nature.

:-)

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*lol* I hadn’t thought of that, Judy! You think it might work?
Wow!
What would the benefit be to me, I wonder, if new members are
impressed?
And what do you mean by impressed, anyhow? Inspired? Captivated?

:-)

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And until that integration is accomplished, those “rebellious”
impulses may congeal and remain in the field(s) of that creative
consciousness as a substance — grit, asteroids, smoke-clouds, or
whatever — that *appears* to obscure the blazing Brahma-nature and
create “hellish” realities — really, “hellish” filters of judgement
and condemnation and ego-pettiness through which the pristine reality
of one’s God-field is distorted. But the actual Brahma-nature of one’s
creative consciousness is ever-radiant, ever-blazing, ever the same.

:-)

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I hadn’t thought about it that way — I was really excited about
some understandings that have fit together recently, and felt like
sharing them — but if you really want to know my deeper goal, upon
reflection it is not simply to impress but rather to *destroy* —
embrace, rape, consume utterly, assimilate, and annihilate — every
single particle of resistance and not-love I come across in any of
my attention-fields, for they all must be my own creation(s)…

:-)

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Helps me understand myself. Many thanks for asking :-)

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Resistance is indeed futile :-)

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…I’ve seldom been reticent to share my current understandings, regardless of who may or may not eventually enjoy them. These have been percolating since just before the Navaratri/Durga puja last week, crystallized further over the past few days, and finally coalesced enough to (attempt to) communicate :-)

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*lol* I have indeed been re-exploring more “flowery” realms lately!
Very sweet.

…If I entertain addictions to adulation, flirtation, and so on, as a
substitute for genuine intimacy and appreciation of Self/Other/Self,
those will indeed be “wrong” or “demonic” — i.e., diseased, based
around pain,  an attempt to mask or compensate for primal fear,
guilt and shame :-)
 
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Yes — time slows down towards (and into) no-space-time Perfect-flow
the more we are aligned with the speed of our own unconditional and
unconditioned light-attention :-)

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*lol* Is it judgmental to call a disease a disease? It appears that
one has to recognize and identify the nature of the problem if one
wishes to heal it. Denial of addiction-patterns masking “not-love”
impulses — refusing to recognize the Self in (and larger than)
patterns like Unworthiness, Fear, Guilt, Shame and Rage — only
perpetuates the heaviness of the disease, and leaches away more and more life, leading eventually to depression and death. I would not be at all suprised to learn that genuine physical immortality is our completely natural state, one essentially free of all addictions/obsessions/repressions (including addictions to relationships, sex, romance, “growth,” food, money, power, drugs, and so on) :-)

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Perhaps we are getting caught up in misunderstood definitions — I
merely mean to *identify* areas of pain in ourselves, feel them and
heal them. Refusal to heal our own pain is a symptom and cause of
surrendering to some addiction or other — making that addiction —
that false belief and support-system — more important than our own
present-moment integrity, joy, freedom, and so on :-)

[Comment on:…Is being judgmental a disease?]
It is (or will be) if we identify a pattern in ourself as not-self
or not-good and do not take steps to dissolve that identification.

…No, genuine physical immortality is not “physical existence” any
longer, at least in the sense it is commonly understood. It would
appear to be rather something along the lines of “physically”
understanding all “physical” matter to be nothing other than love as
a relationship between energy/bliss and consciousness. The formula
for physical immortality would seem to be E = Mc(2) or
laughter/bliss = love/coalesence x consciousness/light aware of
itself :-)

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I was speaking of them [adulation, flirtation, etc] as addictive patterns used to mask heavier feelings of not-good because that is how I have used them in the past and that’s what I am currently interested in: personal transformation and alchemy. I have found that the desire to flirt and receive adulation generally (maybe always) stemmed from a “not-OK” (addicted) place inside; your mileage may vary :-)

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…my purpose for being here is to understand myself
better. You sometimes “show” me heavinesses or densities in my field-
awareness which I can then dissolve into greater understanding and
bliss. It’s fun! But of course I speak only of me; what effect if
any I may appear to have on “you” (whatever that may be, apart from
me) is not really my business :-)

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I believe this is possible, [love at the cellular level exiting forever] yes, as the cells “remember” they are only light-love-laughter; these gunas are apparently as eternal and “absolute” as anything else :-)

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Asking questions is good; it often brings out new ideas. Immaterial
if the questioner is new or old however, as far as I can see :-)

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After further playing with the properties of the gunas for a while, we
now see the pure “I” splitting into 27 pure “I”s to explore the
permutations of the gunas and subgunas and sub-subgunas, yielding 27 discrete states of consciousness, each with its consciousness and own perfectly valid POV through a specific guna-pattern — all being entertained simultaneously, but also explorable from within in terms of guna-progression through time and space if desired.

Only 16 (or 19, depending how we count) of these states occur
between “birth” and “death,” which is what held me up when I was first trying to delineate these unfoldments as geometries of consciousness some 20-odd years ago.

Now though we can posit a beautiful sequence from the densest Being or Love (Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu, or Sat-Sat-Sat) at conception (0-state; Nakshatric new moon), through 9 subgunas of Vishnu/Being (including prenatal Sleep, Dream and Waking, Birth, and Postnatal Sleep, Dream and Waking) into the denser side of Transcendence-I as subtlest Being at the 8th state (Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva).

From here we move across a gap into the lighter side of Transcendence-II as the densest form of Light or Consciousness in the 9th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), and so on through the 9 subgunas of Brahma or States of Consciousness — through C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma), G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva, and U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), and across the pivotal midway-point of Crucifixion or Nirvana or Brahman (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma, or chit-chit-chit) at the 13th state (Nakshatric full moon) — and thereafter recapitulating the complement of all the previous guna-states (with Vishnu/Love for original Shiva/Bliss, and vice versa) in mirror order through “Krishna” or complement of G.C. (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), “Shiva” or complement of C.C. (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), and the Complement of Transcendence-I (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva)at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma.

From here we move across another gap into the egg of Shiva with its 9
states of Bliss: incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence-
II (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), Waking (i.e. “Ignorance”) (Shiva-Vishnu-
Brahma), Dreaming, Sleep, Death, and so on (After-death Waking,
Dreaming and Sleep) to culminate in the most rarefied Bliss (Shiva-
Shiva-Shiva) at dissolution in the 26th state, the old moon, just
before (most likely) re-entering a higher octave at its densest point
(Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu).

Again, this description is in a sense illusory, that is, describing
unfoldments across time and space of what is actually eternal and
omnipresent. Also, for simplicity we have described this progression
as if from one end only, from the bottom up, whereas it actually
appears to be a successive approach, overlap (at Brahman) and more and more inclusive merger of Spirit (Shiva) and Matter (Vishnu) from each end simultaneously to the other end.

:-)
 
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…with Vishnu as Love, Sat/Being, Sattva; Brahma as Light, Chit/Consciousness, Rajas; and Shiva as Laughter, Ananda/Bliss, Tamas. Again, the two poles of the Hiranyagarbha or horned-torus are at either end of its central double-cone: with the mountain of Vishnu (Converging or contracting from the “bottom” “up” and inward), and the “upside-down” mountain of Shiva (Dissolving or expanding into the “top” “up” and outward) and with Brahma churning merrily away between them at the center-point of the double conic-mountain. (I put “up” and “down” in quotes because the Love/Bliss polarity may apparently shift from moment to moment).
:-)

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From here we move across a gap into the lighter side of
Transcendence-II as the densest form of Light or Consciousness in
the 9th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), and so on through the 9
subgunas of Brahma or States of Consciousness — through C.C. (10th
state, Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma); G.C. (11th state, Brahma-Vishnu-
Shiva); and U.C. (12th state; Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), and across the
pivotal midway-point of Crucifixion or Nirvana or Brahman (Brahma-
Brahma-Brahma, or chit-chit-chit) at the 13th state (Nakshatric full
moon) — and thereafter recapitulating the complement of all the
previous guna-states (with Vishnu/Love for original Shiva/Bliss, and
vice versa) in mirror order through the “warmed-up-Brahman” 14th
state of “Brahman-Shiva” (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva) or complement of
U.C.; 15th state of “Krishna” (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu) or complement of
G.C.; 16th state of “Shiva-Brahma” (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), or
complement of C.C.; and the 17th state (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva), the
Complement of Transcendence-I at the subtlest end of the egg of
Brahma.

As first mentioned a year or so ago, from the model of the
progressive merger of Spirit and Matter across the egg of
Consciousness (Brahma), we define the states of Consciousness as
follows:

T.C.-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu) as “THAT” or the Light of Pure
Consciousness (now not just the “subtlest Being” of T.C.-I), with
the Transcendence at the bottom end of the Brahmic egg being
stimulated by the ascent of Matter, coincidentally with the top end
of the Brahmic egg’s now being enlivened by the descent of Spirit.

C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma) as “I am THAT” with enlivenment of
Avyakta (near the top of Brahmic egg) by Spirit/Energy/Purusha/Shiva
and Karmendriyas (near the bottom of Brahmic egg) by
Matter/Prakriti/Vishnu/Shakti, yielding a separate Self-
Consciousness and concomitant automatic action (perfect flow);

G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva) as “Thou art THAT,” with Spirit expanding
from Avyakta down to Mahat (Bliss), and Matter expanding up from
Karmendriyas to Indriyas (sense organs), yielding divine enrichment
of senses;

U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) as “All this is THAT,” as Spirit
expanding from Mahat down to Buddhi (Intuition, Higher Mind), and
Matter expanding up from Indriyas to Manas (Concrete or Lower Mind),
yielding a consciousness of an essentially unified field, with
ability to explore across spacetime, with now only the “Causal Self”
(or Solar Angel or Guru or God) still subtly separating the fields
of Spirit (Absolute) and Matter (Relative).

At the onset of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) one embodies “There is
only THAT” as this Causal Self or Solar Angel (etc.) “dies” or is
immersed in the sudden mergence of Absolute and Relative; this is
experienced often as a Dark Night of the Soul; for the first (and
only) time, *no* permutation of Love (Vishnu) *or* Bliss (Shiva) is
present, yielding (in some cases) a rather stark sameness to
everything.

At the ripening of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the mirror of U.C.,
one knows “THAT is All This” as Absolute and Relative completely
cross, with Purusha flooding down into Manas and Prakriti flooding
up into Buddhi. “Absolute” and “Relative” are gone; the remnants of
the small-self isolation disappear; Wholeness predominates; the Self
Understands the Self. The mind and heart are now understood as
unified and embracing the All. We find now that attention and breath
quicken the awareness-field into bliss.

At the onset of “Krishna” (Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), the mirror of G.C.,
one sees “THAT Art Thou” as the Wholeness has now spread up as far
as Mahat and down as far as Indriyas, so that we again have blissful
sense-perception, but now completely in terms of the Self. One may
become a sort of Avatar as the Great Immensity of unconditional Love
to heal and assimilate the individual points of Wholeness within the
body. Knowing oneself as the Ocean, one may “incorporate” or
incarnate as any given individual in one’s attention-field, and find
them within one’s body.

At the onset of “Shiva” (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), the mirror of C.C.,
one knows “THAT Am I” as the Wholeness has now spread up as far as
Avyakta and down as far as Karmendriyas, so we now see we are not
only separate from (all) action, but its ultimate cause or source,
and also its ultimate end or goal. We are able to “eat” all “sins.”

At the further ripening of “Shiva” (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva), the mirror
of T.C.-II, one knows “THAT is THAT” as the Wholeness has spread
through the entire Brahmic egg of Consciousness, encompassing the
Transcendence at either end.

From here the Wholeness expands yet further to begin recapitulating
and enfolding more and more “Ignorance” via both adjoining eggs
through 9 more ripples: Shiva’s 9 states of Bliss and Vishnu’s 9
states of Love.

Again, this whole progression is in one sense an illusion; we
contain it all simultaneously, and merely attend to whatever
permutation of our Self we most need/desire in this moment, as yet
another aspect of the Self to be recognized…

:-)

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Oops – below should be “Complement of Transcendence-*II* (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva)” and “…incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence-*I* (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), just in case anyone actually is reading any of this. My apologies for the linear density of all the above; it may
look a lot simpler if you draw it in a diagram of three connecting circles (each containing 9 points), along the vertical “shishkebab” of
the 27 points of “I” — and if you draw a trigram for each of the accompanying guna-states, with Vishnu (V) being an unbroken line (0;no gaps), Brahma (B) being a broken line or two short lines (1; 1 gap), and Shiva (S) being a twice broken or three short lines (2; 2
gaps) and follow the guna progression out from 0 (V-V-V; 0-0-0) to 26 (S-S-S; 2-2-2) in base-three sequence — then you can really see the
beauty of the mirroring of the guna-states around the central pivot of Brahma-Brahma-Brahma :-)

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(Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), “Shiva” or complement of C.C. (Brahma-Shiva-Brahma), and the Complement of Transcendence-I (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva) at the subtlest end of the egg of Brahma.
    
From here we move across another gap into the egg of Shiva with its
    
states of Bliss: incorporating the Bliss-complements of Transcendence-II (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu), <snip>

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Nice question [Where does YHVH (YAHWEH) fit into all of this?], many thanks, purushaz! Here’s how I understand it at the moment: Within the pivotal 13-state (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) at the center of the center (Brahma) egg, the 13 points of consciousness may be viewed as a cluster of 12 “Adityas” or “apostles” surrounding the central “Aditi” or “Christ” as his/her (*our*) radii or rays, the whole forming a hypersphere or vector-equilibrium matrix. One can then “flatten” the hypersphere into a disk and see the 12 radii as zodiac-signs (constellations) or planets arranged in a double-helix pattern around and including this central 13th-point (which actually is itself a light-dark, male-female pair, symbolized by Earth and Pluto, and perhaps Sirius A and B, and the Vishnu-Shiva double-cone itself).

We can then see how the planetary/constellation chakras in this Brahma-body pair off to form strata of different densities or “kingdoms” — from mineral to vegetable to animal to human (center) to ancestral to
angelic to gods, each of which kingdoms replicates or reflects the 12-fold pattern of the whole within its own confines. Within the angelic kingdom we perceive the qualities of music and sound (vibration, akasha, mahat, bliss) differentiating into the various vowels and
(eventually) the consonants. Using these sounds to express the Whole we can generate various patterns like YHWH (from highest midsummer solstice Y to midpoint fall-equinox H to lowest midwinter solstice W to midpoint spring-equinox H, in a grand cross going around the
circle), which is very similar to another grand cross — AKNI (Libra/Green A to Capricorn/Indigo K across the gap of the winter solstice — maximum density and darkness, between Taurean-Equinox Capricorn and Aquarius — to Aries/Red N to Cancer/Amber I), or yet another — IOUUA or IOWA (pronounced EE-AW-WAH), from Leo I to Scorpio O to Aquarius UU to Taurus A.

So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of Brahma-
loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding to
details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman
Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) —
although again, none of this will probably be viewable upon first
conscious immersion in and as Brahman — for one thing, when first
comprehending the speed of light, the light itself appears to
disappear (Dark Night of the Soul), and the first thing one is likely
to notice on finally admitting the perfection of Now and admitting
Self as Brahman is that everything is “frozen” Self. It can be kind of
overwhelming, and a lot of this material above doesn’t really become
evident until or unless one begins to ask “How does THAT Wholeness
manifest all of THIS appearance of maya?” and starts to conceive the
Hiranyagarbha, the gunas and all the rest :-)
 
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This last phrase is slightly misleading — upon the sobriety of Brahman, one may well undertake mental-body ascension into the bliss-pool of Higher Self/Council of Guides and transmission of these energies into earth-plane heart-service/healing, and, — as “K.C.” further develops — embracing (upon inquiry into the nature of the three primary rays or gunas) denser, astral-body ascension via DNA pyramid/mountain, OM-portal initiation and introduction to the Council of 13 (12 + 1) Masters, and so on, *before* complete(r) comprehension of the Self as embracing Hiranyagarbha and the place of the gunas and pyramid/mounts of Vishnu/Shiva within it :-)

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<snip>
    
     So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of
     Brahma-loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding
     to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and
     Brahman Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) —
<snip>

Using the terminology of the conventional lokas considered to exist
in the egg of Brahma, we have:

An unnamed loka in T.C-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu), just inside the
transcendental “skin” or just atop the denser edge of the “ring-pass-
not” of the bottom of Brahma’s egg,
Bhu or Bhur-loka in C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma),
Bhuvarloka in G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva), and
Swarloka in U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) — from these three, souls
yet return to earthly reincarnation;

Maha- or Maharloka in the onset of B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma), and
Janaloka in “ripened B.C.” (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the complement of
Unity — in either of these two, souls are liberated, and do not
need to return to earthly incarnation, though many do, for further
refinement in service;

Tapaloka in what we have been calling “Krishna” (Brahma-Shiva-
Vishnu), the complement of G.C., and
Sat-loka or Satya-loka in what we have been calling “Shiva” (Brahma-
Shiva-Brahma), the complement of C.C. — from these two, there is no
return;

another unnamed loka in the complement of T.C.-II (Brahma-Shiva-
Shiva), on the transcendental skin or just below the subtlest edge
of the “ring-pass-not” of Brahma’s egg, at the juncture of the gap
into Shiva’s egg.

However, we may also see these 7 lokas in macrocosm as spanning the entire range of the 27 states of consciousness from conception to dissolution, with Bhur-loka at Conception (state 0), Bhuvarloka at Birth (state 4), and Swargaloka-I at Transcendence-I (state 8), all in Vishnu’s egg; Swargaloka-II at Transcendence-II (state 9), Maharloka at B.C.
(state 13), and Janaloka-II at complement of Transcendence-II, Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (state 17), all in Brahma’s egg; and Janaloka-I at complement of Transcendence-I, Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu (state 18), Tapaloka at Death, Shiva-Brahma-Brahma (state 22), and Satyaloka at Dissolution, Shiva-Shiva-Shiva (state 26), all in Shiva’s egg.

No matter how we term the lokas, from the 26th state of Dissolution
(Shiva-Shiva-Shiva, or Bliss-Bliss-Bliss, or pure Energy), we may go
to its flip-side, the 27th state, which is Conception (Vishnu-Vishnu-
Vishnu, or Love-Love-Love, or pure Matter: Solve et Coagula.

We may visualize the 27th state as 27 points of consciousness, thus:
Unity, the 12th state (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) appears as an
icosahedron, with twelve points and no rational center. Adding
a “solar seed” center-point gives us the 13th state, B.C., brought
on at the full fusion with one’s Self or “Solar Angel”: a 13-point
(Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) cuboctahedron or vector-equilibrium matrix
(one center point, 12 vertices; Aditi and the Adityas or Christ and
the Apostles) with 14 faces — eight triangles, six squares. This
B.C. state contains in seed-form a complete key to Universal Space
(conjoined tetrahedra and octahedra), but not yet “unfolded.”
Ripened B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), the complement of Unity, is
visualizable as the 14-point, 12-face rhombic dodecahedron — thus,
the “inverse” of U.C. and B.C., a figure-ground “destruction” and
reversal of the prior states; what was emptiness is now fullness,
and vice-versa: one turns “inside out” and “outside in.”

Dissolution (26th state) involves fusing these two — U.C. (the 12)
and ripened B.C. (the 14) together in a perfect Whole, where Self-
Other, male-female figure-ground are *both* entertained perfectly
fully in the physiology, as was mentioned earlier in discussions
here with Akasha. Adding the central I-point to this 26-point
Dissolution precipitates the 27-point Conception, at which point “I”
am equally and fully self-other, male and female simultaneously, in
the physiology.

:-)

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     So as we see it at this point anyhow, all of this is a part of
     Brahma-loka, specifically in what we might call Mahar-loka, corresponding
     to details of the Solar Plexus and the Full Moon Nakshatra and Brahman
     Consciousness as it stands in itself (Brahma-Brahma-Brahma) —
<snip>

though insofar as it expresses mantric sound/bliss/mahat/akasha, YHWH would stem specifically from the subloka of the Kinnaras, Angels, or High Elves/High Gandharvas, and presumably Tapaloka, which in the macrocosm would correspond to the cosmic Throat, 22nd or “Death”-state of Shiva-Brahma-Brahma and the center of Shiva’s egg.

:-)
 
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…looks like what I’ve termed “Krishna” in the past, the 15th state (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva) — a lot of fun, and very rich because of its containing all 3 gunas and also reflecting the richness of G.C. (senses and bliss), now from Wholeness :-)

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Let me put the whole thing in more psychological terms — Vishnu or
Love is the force compacting everything denser and denser into
materialization inside our psychology (and our body); Brahma or Light
or Consciousness is the force wherein the unrecognized portions of
ourselves (those in pain) come to our attention AS portions of
ourselves; and Shiva is the Laughter or bliss wherein the Self-
recognition dissolves the pain as it (small “I”) dies into the
oblivion of the larger-I…:-)

Thus, something like the Byron Katie work shows us how our pain-spots (judgements, etc.) are merely unrecognized aspects of ourself (Vishnu-qualities, not yet Brahma); when we acknowledge them (now Brahma seeing itSelf), they “disappear”… (Shiva)

:-)

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As I see it at the moment, the brain (bodymind, physiology, etc.) is
usually the *last* to know, or to comprehend Knowledge; the brain is
what finally grounds the knowledge from and of the Self out into
this earthplane and our worldview. Before it contacts and changes
the chemistry of the brain, knowledge appears as something like
bliss-waves or lines of force (quantum-sized) which gradually
densify and become more and more strongly electromagnetic (subtle-
body) while positioning themselves over various portions of the
brain and “recording” the acquired or recognized data into the
physiology, i.e., changing our mind. As the mind shifts, different
sensory stimuli (always present but previously unnoticed) are now
picked up and “eaten” to generate our new worldview…or something
like that :-)

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Gravity is Love :-)

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Like the “prior” states, there is still a “me” claiming these
states as its own — whereas ripened B.C. erases that identification
:-)

There is also a very good probability that not only are we each
experiencing all the states simultaneously, but also in timespace
sequence very rapidly — perhaps every nanosecond or so, with every
cycling of our personal Hiranyagarbha-field, but almost certainly one
state each day throughout the 27 days of the Lunar cycle — depending
on what we put our attention on, of course :-)

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Although it is not precisely true that those enjoying B.C. etc. are
*not* still working out their karma; it appears simply that they have
cleared at least half of it, are free from the *need* for rebirth, and
after B.C. they generally feel free and approach Life with the
identity of a “finder,” as Spirit moving into Matter, as opposed to
identifying with the “seeker” — as Matter (or Being, or even
Consciousness) seeking Spirit. It *may* be that those completing and
recognizing the entire 27-state cycle have cleared all of their karmic
backlog (for example, upon recognizing and communicating it I now feel my “life-work is done” here), but I suspect there is always more work to be done, somewhere or other :-)

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This doesn’t make a lot of sense from certain POVs. What “others” [as in helping others] would those be? What is timespace? It’s almost like saying we take a vow to keep on dreaming. How could we not? It’s fun.

If I understnd you correctly, what you are speaking of is not really a
prescription, it is a description of who we are and what has already
(in a sense) come to pass; what always is, what has always been, what always will be — there is no vow required, other than to ourself to continue to appreciate and enjoy the eternally ever-changing forms of ourself — what is.

We are one, we are many; we are a countless multitude of ourselves,
showing ourselves ever-differing combinations of ourselves in the
permutations of love, consciousness and bliss — like dipping our
fingers of pure invisible light into a denser portion or medium of
ourselves and watching them bend a bit and split into colors as we
pass through that medium. And yet we are none of the above, never have been, never will be. Our fingers are only an idea inside us; that medium is only an idea inside us, nothing more. And yet in a sense that is all we are — always has been, always will be. All of that occurs inside us, not the other way around. :-)
 
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There are a couple of ways to define consciousness; my current
understanding of it is as not-Self, and merely one of the three gunas
(along with love and bliss, or matter and energy) of apparent Self-
expression. In this sense consciousness is an expression and as
such “denser” than who we really are, albeit not necessarily as dense
as a physical body as the term is commonly understood. I have seen
countless examples of consciousness independent of a gross physical
body. But what I have seen or not seen doesn’t really count, so far as
your reality is concerned.

:-)
 
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“A couple of ways” — what a laugh! There are countless ways for consciousness to “define” itself :-)

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My current favorite is consciousness is Light (Brahma; rajas), the intermediary between Matter (Love-Being, Vishnu, sattva) and Energy (Bliss, Shiva, tamas)

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…from Self to and as “Being” and “Consciousness” and “Bliss” — then into these bodies, mixed and matched for
spacetime play — rinse and repeat as necessary, in lovely sequences of more and more Wholeness, eventually inclusive of more and more
ignorance as time in a sense “reverses” after the pivot-NOW-point of B.C. :-)

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…Sweet Lakshmi, my black-eyed Susan of the Grand Googol!
She Lakshmi, she lakshmi not … she lakshmi!

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Online Etymology Dictionary: surprise (n.)
c.1457, “unexpected attack or capture,” from M.Fr. surprise “a taking
unawares,” from noun use of pp. of O.Fr. surprendre “to overtake,”
from sur- “over” + prendre “to take,” from L. prendere, contracted
from prehendere “to grasp, seize” (see prehensile). Meaning “something unexpected” first recorded 1592, that of “feeling caused by something unexpected” is 1608. Meaning “fancy dish” is attested from 1708.

From these definitions it looks pretty clear that “somebody” is indeed
going to be taken unawares, overtaken, grasped, and seized — by
Nobody :-)

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…Whereupon since Nobody has Nothing better to do, Nobody decides to be
somebody :-)

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I am talking about the *death* of witnessing; what about you?

  :-)

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You have no idea how your interpretation of witnessing differs from other people’s here?

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 …”witnessing is irrelevant” :-)

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Or unless we use “witnessing” to mean a specific distancing technique
to separate ourselves quickly from bondage to (and identification
with) our suffering (e.g. locating it in the body etc.), which IMO is
best immediately followed by a unitive technique (embracing it in
attention or unconditional love, allowing it to breathe, “speak,”
etc.) to completely assimilate and dissolve the suffering into ecstacy
or bliss, revitlizing the bodymind :-)

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OTOH if somone is genuinely enlivened and enlovened and enlightened and enlaughtered by the TMO’s definition of witnessing et al., then more power to them, say I :-)

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I did see the obvious surface implications of “no idea;” I was just
trying to go a little deeper into Sparaig’s statement about how he
interpreted witnessing differently from others here — to no avail,
obviously :-)

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Your Wholeness apparently doesn’t allow anger and humorlessness —
does that perhaps make anger and humorlessness more powerful than Wholeness, capable of overshadowing Wholeness?

:-)

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Along the lines of aligning the 27 gunic states of consciousness with
the 27 Lunar Nakshatras — apparently the traditional first Nakshatra
was Krittika, adjusted later to match the equinoctial precession.
Beginning this sequence (Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu, Conception) with
Krittika (Alcyone in the Pleiades) yields interesting results. Now we
have the Pleiades at (or near) the gap between one cycle’s Dissolution
(Shiva-Shiva-Shiva, state 26) and the next cycle’s Conception (Vishnu-
Vishnu-Vishnu, state 0).

The pairs Purna Phalguni (“former red one” (?), delta Leonis) and
Uttara Phalguni (“latter red one” (?), beta Leonis, Denebola) now
align with the two halves of Transcendence (Transcendence-I, Purna
Phalguni, state 8: Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva, finest level of matter/Being,
and Transcendence-II, Uttara Phalguni, state 9: Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu, densest level of Light/Consciousness). Now we have Leo and (I believe) Ursa Major (the 7 rishis of the Great Bear) occupying the gap between the two sides of Transcendence, between the 9 states of Vishnu’s mount and the 9 states of Brahma’s egg. The traditional translation of Phalguni as “red one” does not make a lot of sense to me. I am tempted to see “Phal-” as “fruit” and “-Guni” as “guna, action” — but maybe cardemaister can throw some more light here?

The pairs Purva Ashadha (“former victor,” delta Sagittarii) and Uttara
Ashadha (“latter victor,” sigma Sagittarii) now align with the two
halves of the complement of Transcendence (Transcendence-II-prime,
Purva Ashadha, state 17: Brahma-Shiva-Shiva, finest level of
Light/Consciousness, and Transcendence-I-prime, Uttara Ashadha, state 18: Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu, densest level of energy/Bliss). Now we have the currently-acknowledged Galactic Center (in Sagittarius) at (or near) the gap between these two halves of the complement of Transcendence, between the 9 states of Brahma’s egg and the 9 states of Shiva’s mount.

The other two paired Nakshatras are Purva Bhadrapada (“front legs of
the death-bed,” beta Pegasi) and Uttara Bhadrapada (“back legs of the death-bed,” gamma Pegasi); these now align with Death (Purva Bhadrapada, state 22: Shiva-Brahma-Brahma, state 22) and After-death Waking (Uttara Bhadrapada, Shiva-Brahma-Shiva, state 23). Now we have Pegasus, the winged horse of ascension, overseeing these two parts of Death.

:-)

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OTOH, red is indeed the densest/slowest visible form of Light, as
anger is perhaps one of the densest forms of Consciousness! Perhaps
the other half of “red” is indeed also the finest form of matter/Being :-)

…Guessing this would be infrared…:-)

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Wondering if Infrared is equivalent to Vishnu, Visible light is
Brahma, and Ultraviolet is Shiva. This would certainly tie in with
visions of one end (the Mother, Vishnu) of the Hiranyagarbha being
red, the other end (the Father, Shiva) being bluish, and also
experiences of fusion with one’s Solar Angel in Brahman, and the
bliss of dissolution of the visible world in Shiva.

Applying this in microcosm to the sub-sub-gunas of Brahma-Brahma
we’d have Unity (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu) as infrared light, B.C.
(Brahma-Brahma-Brahma, fusion with Solar Angel) as visible light,
and Unity-prime, the complement of U.C., ripened B.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Shiva) as ultraviolet light.

Following up on this with the egg of Brahma as the entire E-M
spectrum we might equate Radio waves with C.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-
Brahma), Microwave with G.C. (Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva), Infrared with
U.C. (Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu), Visible spectrum with B.C. (Brahma-
Brahma-Brahma), Ultraviolet with the complement of U.C. (“ripened
Brahman,” Brahma-Brahma-Shiva), X-rays with the complement of G.C.
(“Krishna; Shiva as Vishnu,” Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu), and Gamma-rays
with the complement of C.C. (“Shiva; Shiva as Brahma,” Brahma-Shiva-
Brahma)…

:-)

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…I also really like the definition below of “weak,”
etc., as I have just now been playing with the possibilities that
the 3 Vishnu-Vishnu subgunas (Conception, pre-natal sleep, pre-natal
dream) introduce Gravity; the 3 Vishnu-Brahma subgunas (pre-natal
waking, birth, and sleep) introduce the Strong force; the 3 Vishnu-
Shiva subgunas (dreaming, waking, T.C.-I) introduce the Weak force
(hence purva phalguni); and the 3 Brahma-Vishnu subgunas (T.C.-II,
C.C., and G.C.) introduce the Electromagnetic force.

The 3 Brahma-Brahma subgunas (U.C., B.C, ripened B.C.) introduce
and “destroy” or embrace the True Self, pivoting around B.C. as the
end of spacetime; then the 3 Brahma-Shiva subgunas reiterate the
Brahma-Vishnus, embracing the E-M force; the 3 Shiva-Vishnu subgunas embrace the Weak force; the 3 Shiva-Brahma subgunas embrace the Strong force; and the 3 Shiva-Shiva subgunas embrace the Gravitational force :-)

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By “introduce” I mean, “allow one to identify with, incarnate
within;” by “embrace” I mean “allow one to assimilate, digest,
dissolve and resolve into bliss”…again, the two poles of
Love/Matter and Bliss/Energy…

:-)

:-)

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0: Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu (Conception): Unconscious incarnation within
Gravity/love/matter
1: Vishnu-Vishnu-Brahma (Prenatal Sleep): Consciousness of
Gravity/love/matter
2: Vishnu-Vishnu-Shiva (Prenatal Dreaming) (Temporary) annihilation
of Gravity/love/matter in bliss

3: Vishnu-Brahma-Vishnu (Prenatal Waking) Unconscious identification
with Strong Force (separate body)
4: Vishnu-Brahma-Brahma (Birth) Consciousness of Strong Force
(separate body)
5: Vishnu-Brahma-Shiva (Sleep) (Temporary) annihilation of Strong
Force (separate body) in bliss

6: Vishnu-Shiva-Vishnu (Dreaming) Unconscious identification with
Weak Force (decay and aging)
7: Vishnu-Shiva-Brahma (Waking State) Consciousness of Weak Force
(decay and aging)
8: Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva (Transcendence-I) (Temporary) annihilation of
Weak Force (decay and and aging) in bliss

9: Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu (Transcendence-II) Unconscious
identification with Consciousness/Light
10: Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma (Cosmic Consciousness) Consciousness of
Consciousness/Light
11: Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (God Consciousness) (Temporary) annihilation
of Consciousness/Light in bliss

12: Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (Unity Consciousness) Unconscious
identification with Self (Solar Angel)
13: Brahma-Brahma-Brahma (Crossing into Brahman) Consciousness of
Self as Solar Angel (Golden no-timespace)
14: Brahma-Brahma-Shiva (Ripened Brahman; Unity-prime) Annihilation
of Self/Solar Angel in bliss of Wholeness

15: Brahma-Shiva-Vishnu (“Krishna,” God Consciousness-prime)
Wholeness as Conscious Light blissfully incarnating
16: Brahma-Shiva-Brahma (Cosmic Consciousness-prime) Wholeness as
Conscious Light blissfully conscious
17: Brahma-Shiva-Shiva (Transcendence-II-prime) Conscious Light-
Wholeness annihilating into bliss

18: Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu (Transcendence-I-prime) Wholeness
embracing/annihilating Weak Force (decay and aging) as unconscious
incarnation of youthing
19: Shiva-Vishnu-Brahma (Waking State-prime) Wholeness
embracing/annihilating Weak Force (decay and aging) as conscious
light/youthing
20: Shiva-Vishnu-Shiva (Dreaming-prime) Wholeness
embracing/annihilating Weak Force (decay and aging) into bliss

21: Shiva-Brahma-Vishnu (Sleep-prime) Wholeness
embracing/annihilating Strong Force (separate body) as unconscious
incarnation of multitudes
22: Shiva-Brahma-Brahma (Birth-prime; Death) Wholeness
embracing/annihilating Strong Force (separate body) as conscious
multitudes
23: Shiva-Brahma-Shiva (Afterdeath Waking) Wholeness
embracing/annihilating Strong Force (separate body) into bliss

24: Shiva-Shiva-Vishnu (Afterdeath Dreaming) Wholeness
embracing/annihilating Gravity as unconscious incarnation of bliss
25: Shiva-Shiva-Brahma (Afterdeath Sleep) Wholeness
embracing/annihilating Gravity as conscious bliss
26: Shiva-Shiva-Shiva (Dissolution) Wholeness embracing/annihilating
Gravity into bliss

:-)

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…Yes, it was tempting, but then illusory fruit often is :-)

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It’s a fascinating thing — one would think we could take our anger
and *convert* it to humor, thereby apparently killing two birds with
one stone, but it seems if we don’t feed the anger and humorlessness
through the Brahmic sun of self-recognition and unconditional
acceptance, we aren’t really providing a clean burn and are left with
particulate pollution :-)

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Siddhapur, Fairfield, Iowa — where every day is a kumbha-mela :-)

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Well, the locals *did* try jailing a few naked sadhus at first, but
the sadhus kept walking through the walls back out onto the streets,
so what else could the locals do but legalize nudity as a valid form of religious expression?

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Here’s some more on the question you brought up when wondering what was between Shiva and Vishnu as one was traversing the outside of the Hiranyagarbha, and we were reminded of the thin golden disk or equatorial band which was the projection of and from the central Brahma-sun– this thin band is indictive of the “gap” one encounters when flipping from one side of a transcendent state to the another. Thus within the state of Transcendence, between the subtlest Being/Love of Transcendence-I (Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva) and the densest
Consciousness/Light of its other “side,” Transcendence-II (Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu) — is the gap apparently overseen by Leo and the 7 Rishis of the Great Bear (Ursa Major), at “Swargaloka” between the Sex Center and the Navel Center. This gap is that-which-is-NOT any of the properties of the two sides: hence it could be called a “shadow” Shiva-Brahma-Brahma — or a state of “death.”

Similarly the gap between Transcendence-II-prime at the subtlest
Consciousness/Light (Brahma-Shiva-Shiva) and its other “side” of
densest Bliss, Transcendence-I-prime (Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu) — that gap
apparently overseen by the Galactic Center, at “Janaloka” between the
Heart and the Throat — is that-which-is-NOT any of the properties of
the to sides: a “shadow” Vishnu-Brahma-Brahma, or a state of “birth.”

Finally, the remaining gap — between Blissful Dissolution, Shiva-
Shiva-Shiva and Loving Conception, Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu — is that-
which-is-NOT any of these properties: the “shadow” Brahma-Brahma-
Brahma, or state of golden no-time-space, that thin gold band of
perfect equilibrium between the utter dissolution of Shiva and the
beginnings of Vishnu’s coalescence. In the lunar phases this “shadow”
Brahma-Brahma corresponds to the moment when the moon is actually
conjunct the sun. In the Nakshatra-system we were discussing, this
moment is apparently overseen by the Pleaides, at “Sat-Loka,” between the crown and the feet. Apprently this would also be the true Sat-Yuga :-)

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It would *appear* the “Pyramid People” represent a crystallized
understanding that is less than full or whole, as their sense of
self seems not to encompass the awareness of self-as-everyone, or
everyone-in-self — so that they are not availing themselves of the
dynamic joy of growing with “others” as ever more ignorance is
dissolved into one’s bliss. In other words, by artificially
or “prematurely” limiting their sense of self, they are actually
depriving themselves of deeper and deeper understandings and
identifications with other aspects of “god” and “human” and what it
means to be both of these simultaneously … of course, this whole
thing is but another “story”… :-)

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Yes, OK; I would see Vishnu-Brahma-Shiva as a torus, with Vishnu
(Love, Matter, Sattva) being the movement away from the equator and
shrinking as it approaches the (say, south) pole, and then inverting
into a cone or mountain or pyramid sucking or coalescing from the
surface down (or up) inside toward the center point, Brahma (Light,
Consciousness, Rajas). The other side, moving from the center away
and out the opposite side’s cone or mountain or pyramid, diffusing
and dispersing back out to the (say, north pole’s) surface and back
on itself towards the equator, would be Shiva (Energy, Bliss,
Tamas). The equator itself would be the “shadow” Brahma, the
momentary equilibrium before shrinking back towards the pole and in
as Vishnu again.

As far as I can see, these “gaps” only exist in a major way at the
three places earlier described, because only there are the gunas
concentrated and “polarized” enough to cast a large intermediary
shadow of “not-this.” Between the other sub-sub-gunas, the momentary shadow cast actually manifests a moment later anyhow: hence (for example) between Brahma-Vishnu-Visnu and Brahma-Vishnu-Brahma, there is no real shadow between Brahma-Vishnu- and Brahma-Vishnu, as they are the same. The mainguna “shadow” for Brahma- would be *both* Shiva and Vishnu, and the subguna “shadow” for -Vishnu- would be
*both* Brahma and Shiva: too blurry in other words to really define a shadow. The only real shadow would be the tertiary one of (Brahma-Vishnu)-Shiva, which appears a moment later anyhow. However, between Brahma-Vishnu-Shiva (G.C.) and Brahma-Brahma-Vishnu (U.C.), one *could* posit a secondary shadow of (Brahma)-Shiva-Brahma (“Shiva-consciousness,” complement of C.C.; “THAT AM I”) — but again, as the mainguna (Brahma) is the same, you’re not going to get as distinct a shadow-effect as you do between Vishnu-Shiva-Shiva and
Brahma-Vishnu-Vishnu, or between Brahma-Shiva-Shiva and Shiva-Vishnu-Vishnu, or between Shiva-Shiva-Shiva and Vishnu-Vishnu-Vishnu…

:-)

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Well FWIW the 27-state model shows several possibilities for this
occuring — the simplest might be if after Brahma-Brahma-Brahma
(Crucifixion or Brahman or Nirvana) one progresses only as far as
Brahma-Shiva-Shiva, at the subtlest end of Brahma’s egg — here one
would still be identifying with subtlest light, and even pretty
strong secondary bliss channeling down from Shiva’s realm through
oneself and into manifest creation — this might be seen as the
lower end of Janaloka. However, if the model is right, one could
even ascend into the first third of Shiva’s realm (Shiva-Vishnu
subsubgunas), embracing and dissolving the weak force (and thus
knowing physical immortality) but not yet truly embracing and
dissolving the strong force (sense of separate self) until the
middle third of the realm (Shiva-Brahma subsubgunas)…

:-)
 
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Well, it’s a funny thing — identity with a separate self is in a
very real sense dissolved at Brahman-Brahman-Brahman, when one
realizes one has always been “nobody,” and there has always
been “nothing” to do amidst the ocean of perfection Now, and it is
at least possible to die at this point and not return to Earth or
Earth-like planes (as in the model one has reached “Maharloka”).

As you and I are aware, the Work has now ended, but the Work also
actually *begins* at that point, wherein spacetime “reverses” and
one begins as Spirit to re-enter Matter as a sort of avatar,
to “eat” or assimilate the entirety of one’s past. One’s perfection
and Wholeness-Self has “blind-spots” to meet and greet. In a sense,
one has yet to fully fuse God and Goddess, one’s male and female
sides, or to expand Wholeness beyond one’s midsection (“Maharloka”)
to embrace and assimilate one’s whole bodymind…and beyond. But
many traditional models of Enlightenment end at Brahma-Brahma-Brahma
or Nirvana, so it is not difficult to imagine some portions of the
Whole deciding to “rest on their laurels” as it were  :-)

Granted the model
> accounts for such a state as the ‘pyramid people’, but in Reality,
> how long could such a state be sustained?

“How long” ceases to have much meaning after Brahma-Brahma-Brahma, doesn’t it? I suspect Bentov is speaking of entities like the Watchers or the Theosophical Society’s Dhyan Chohans, or the “Discarnate Gods” — actually, filtering divine bliss through one’s system into the denser planes is a legitimate function; one is serving as a sort of transformer or “elevator attendant.”

If this is indeed “Janaloka,” one or more of these entities might
eventually decide to return as a Teacher to the denser planes, and
in the process learn something more about themselves and the ever-
unfolding mystery of the human and the divine, and of the male and
female, and of duality in general :-)

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HA! Yes, I remember that burning desire well — a sure sign that one
still *needs* to return, all right :-)

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:-) :-) :-)

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