…My apologies, all, for overposting. I too relied on the
evidently all-too-unreliable Yahoo advanced search, which repeatedly
assured me I had posted only in the mid-20’s, when the actual count
must have been at least 25 higher by then. When I thought I was still
safely under 35, I was actually at 56. It looks as though e-mail or
hand tallies are the only ways to go here.

The forced “time-out” has shown me, though, that there really is no
common ground here on FFL — the fundamentally paradoxical “Knowledge” or “Unknowing” remaining when all beliefs are discarded, is consistently taken here by those who have not done this work, as simply another fundamentalist belief. Understandable, but evidently a waste of time to discuss further. Might as well stick to movies and martial arts and other subjects within the Matrix :-)

So could you unsubscribe me, please? So long, and thanks for all the fish!

*L*L*L*

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…I love You; You know where to find me :-)

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I can see how it would look that way, Rick, but with the time-out I
just realized I am spending waaay too much time and attention here,
and I just can’t afford it. I tried unsubscribing via email with no
result, and was hoping that actually being off the list would be a
good way to quit this “addiction” cold-turkey. It has been an immense
lot of fun, and I am really grateful to you and to everyone here, but
the cost/benefit ratio has simply gotten too out of hand.

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…While I generally feel very much at home in the company of Tom and
Peter and Jim — they often appear to understand me, and I them, in
ways you patently do not (not that there’s anything *wrong* with
that, of course! :-) ) — I can honestly make no claim to being
enlightened, or ignorant, or some combination of the two, or no
combination of the two.

Even a little genuine self-inquiry IME quickly reveals the “I” to be
not… not anything. Saying “I AM” is OK — barely –, but following
it with anything at all — even “enlightened” — borders on
blasphemy, on hubris, on taking the Name in vain, on identification.
(Again, not that there’s anything wrong with that…)

And yet, because “I” am … not, by the same token “I” contain it
all. There are “I”-particles in my field who are more enlightened
than I can imagine, and particles who — to put it gently — show a
lot of room for improvement, and need a lot of love *right now*.
That’s the way it’s always been, and that’s the way it’ll always be,
as far as I can see. :-)

I believe I have gone over this with you before, pointing out on
(several? many?) occasions that I am not “in Krishna Consciousness,”
or “in” any other state of consciousness — rather, they are all in
me. That’s all pretty basic, and simple, and self-evident, and
obvious, IMO.

But of course, this could not have escaped your crystalline
intellect, magnanimous heart, and brilliant recall, so I guess you’re
just twitting me…again…:-)

By the way, I think “complacent” comes from the Latin cum-placere, to
(be) please(d) with … I hopes this takes some of the sting out of
calling us-yourself complacent! :-)

*L*L*L* Always and All-ways

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[Comment on:...blah blah blah]

Rory wrote:

blah blah blah

:-)

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[Comment on quote comparison with Rory..."Oh, I don't reject your Christ. I love your Christ. It's just that so many of you Christians are so unlike your Christ."
~  Mahatma Ghandi]

“Was it something I said?”

– Rory Goff

:-)

…I suppose it might apply *if* I claimed to be a Christian, *and* if
you knew Christ personally (whatever that might mean), *and* if you
knew me personally, *and* were competent to compare and contrast us, none of which I am currently prepared to admit

:-)

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It’s my understanding that the historical Jesus was essentially a
fictitious character (probably based on Apollonius of Tyana) created
by Josephus for the Flavians to counter the Messianic
Jewish “problem.” However, given the way things work out over time, I
think it’s a fair bet that both your understanding and mine are
probably almost completely wrong :-)

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[Comment on:...Guru Dev and Christ share characteristics one would expect in an 'enlightened'...]

“Characteristics” and “expect” being the operative words. In my
view, it appears as if you’re spinning out fairy tales and then
falling hopelessly in love with them. You and New seem to be much in
the same boat. New actually said (more or less) that he is looking
for “role models” to “pursue”! This left me so speechless — we have
such an apparent void of understanding between us — that all I could
say was blah blah blah, in hopes that this would convey the utter
impossibility of conveying the inconveyable. Apparently it failed –
what a surprise :-)

[Comment on:...in spite of the claims you make about yourselves...]

What claims are these, exactly? I readily admit that in the past I
have said here, “I am enlightened and so are you.” This was the
closest I could then come to conveying the inconveyable. Now, with
many thanks to Judy and Nagarjuna, I have come still closer: I am not
enlightened, nor ignorant, nor both, nor neither. In other
words, “leave me out of it!” :-)

…Many thanks for your post — it was easier to reply to than New’s,
which got so convoluted I had to surrender into blah blah blah :-:

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…and if you can refrain from bringing up my name here, I can probably
refrain from boring you any further.

So long, and good luck with your pursuit of virtues!

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…I have no issue with “pursuing a role model” if one allows
oneself to do it wholeheartedly and with total surrender HERE and NOW,….

It is the use of one’s “pursuit of virtues” to studiously avoid the
void while persuading oneself one is actually getting nearer
to “enlightenment” that strikes *me* as unspeakably paradoxical!

Here’s a fun quote I ran across after posting yesterday:

“There seem to be two kinds of searchers; those who seek to make their ego something other than it is, i.e., holy, happy, unselfish (as though you could maker a fish unfish), and those who understand that all such attempts are just gesticulation and play-acting, that there is only one thing that can be done, which is to disidentify themselves with the ego, by realizing its unreality, and by becoming aware of their eternal identity with pure being.” — We Wu Wei (Spiritual Warfare, by Jed McKenna, p. 190)

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As for me, I’m enjoying the arrogance of the man who thinks he can
tell another’s state of consciousness without even knowing his own :-)

Please pass the popcorn!
 
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(worth repeating, with minor course corrections)

…I have no issue with “pursuing a role model” if one
allows oneself actually *catch* the role model: to do it
wholeheartedly and with total surrender HERE and NOW

It is the use of one’s “pursuit of virtues” to studiously avoid the
void while persuading oneself one is actually getting nearer
to “enlightenment” that strikes *me* as unspeakably paradoxical!

Here’s a fun quote I ran across after posting yesterday:

“There seem to be two kinds of searchers; those who seek to make
their ego something other than it is, i.e., holy, happy, unselfish
(as though you could make a fish unfish), and those who understand
that all such attempts are just gesticulation and play-acting, that
there is only one thing that can be done, which is to disidentify
themselves with the ego, by realizing its unreality, and by becoming
aware of their eternal identity with pure being.” — We Wu Wei

(Spiritual Warfare, by Jed  McKenna, p. 190)

  *L*L*L*
 
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Yes, and?

I cheerfully accept all the ass-holiness, arrogant condescension,
ignorance, and any other traits you wish to ascribe to me.

So now what?

Please pass the poison, it’s delicious!

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Maybe you should ask Wei Wu Wei or Jed McKenna, since I am not a self-proclaimed ‘enlightened’ guy, just an arrogant condescending asshole :-)

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Sure, if you like. An arrogant, assholey, condescending, ignorant,
masturbatory, lame comedian.

Got any more? :-)

Arrogant, assholey, condescending, ignorant, masturbatory,
supremely UGLY lame comedian.

Got any more?

We can keep this up forever if you like, or until we run out of posts
at any rate :-)

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I categorically and emphatically deny that I am any more ‘enlightened’
than I am ‘ignorant’. Both, and/or neither, or you’re taking the Name
in vain.

…I *do* take delight in the scene; you’re absolutely right.

And I am mocking you; you’re right about that too.

And yes, it’s because you apparently think you’re going to
get ‘enlightened’ by pursuing and trying to identify with values and
standards.

But you are right, I have nothing of value to offer you, unless you are
willing to admit that after 40 years of study you know absolutely
nothing of value, and are no closer to your goal than when you began.

:-)
 
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Actually, I am wondering if you read my website very closely. I made no such claim.

I *did* say that a lot of images and emotions floated up, which I
tentatively identified as “past-life memories,” and which I eventually
identified as Herman Goering’s, not Martin Bormann’s. At the time, I
found this useful for making sense of emotional patterns I was then
entangled in: moving through judgement, projection, disempowerment and anger, learning to embrace my (and everyone’s) innate capacity for evil, and to move from there into unconditional love.

I am not prepared to say that I *was* Herman Goering, or anyone else for that matter, although I am prepared to say Herman Goering *is* a part of me, as is everything and everyone else.

This feels indescribable because it’s a priori, but utterly loving-
radiant-ecstatic if I choose to externalize and put my attention on it;
thanks for asking :-)

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a) I do see a difference between Bormann and Goering, and

b) I also said I didn’t know if I “was” Goering, but found
the “memories” useful. I still stand by that.

I have no objections to “being” Goering, or Hitler, or anyone else,
you understand — I am just trying to be clear about the actual
experience and its possible ramifications.

I have generally found one can access whatever one wishes in the
universe, to the degree one needs, by remembering it is all oneself,
and by simply “being” it — “know by being” — which doesn’t mean one
personally “was” or “is” the entity from a transmigratory standpoint.
Many if not all so-called “past-life” or “future-life” memories are
equally viewable as a kind of multisensory movie.

In the end it is moot, I suppose, as one can learn from and heal from
the experiences whether they are personally one’s own or not. That’s
the great thing about stories — we make them our own, and derive
entertainment and meaning from them.

“Claiming” past-lives as one’s own however can have significant
egoic/delusional pitfalls, particularly if one is tapping into
someone famous, and as a rule I definitely don’t recommend any sort
of entertainment as an addictive avoidance of one’s a priori
emptifulness, or one’s unattended pain, though perhaps at times that
is unavoidable :-)

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The bottom line as I see it is, all of these conjectures [past lives] still entail identifying with a self that believes itself to be *within* spacetime — if anything, adding to, embellishing that story.

Hence, we might argue, essentially a waste of time, if one thinks any
of this will actually free one from the pain of false-identification :-)

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IMO and IME, hell *is* the hotline to wisdom

:-)

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Perhaps he meant it was spin in that I didn’t directly answer the
question of what if felt like at the time the memories came up
to “be” Herman Goering — as opposed to how it feels now, which is
what I answered.

I believe I covered most of those emotions pretty thoroughly in the
website. IIRC they included relentless cheerfulness, greed and
poverty-consciousness, intense anger, feeling utterly betrayed for
following a false (and crazy) but highly charismatic Messiah, feeling
the exhausting brunt of contempt and scorn from head-to-head
confrontations with (the woman who appeared to be the reincarnation
of) “Rommel”, love of (the woman who appeared to be) “Karin”, and so
on and so on. All extremely intense at the time, almost a dream now,
25 years later. All of this arose in the year before “dying into the
emptiful void” and were resolved in the 2-3 years following –
something like a purgatory, I guess.

Practically nothing compared with the monstrously arrogant, know-it-
all, self-appointed-lord-of-the-universe, radiant Brahma-ego I have
been eyeball-to-eyeball with and wrestling for the past two years,
that’s for sure :-)

*lol*

:-)
 
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It isn’t where my head is at now, but I respect where it was then. Perhaps you missed my later post addressing some of those emotions etc.

…The indescribable externalizing into love-radiance-ecstacy *is* how it generally looks now. That is not to say I have not been working on
other ego-issues, as I’ve also mentioned in another recent post. As
far as I can tell, the work never ends :-)

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And I have been describing the understanding of the unconditioned I
with the simultaneity of spacetime as my projected bodymind — of the
necessary balance in bind-identifying with none while upholding all — as clearly as I can. I apologize if it sounds smarmy or naive or
sentimentally Barneyesque to you; that’s certainly not the predominating flavor on this end :-)

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(I am speaking of all the “worlds” present in our bodymind, here and now.)

There is no escaping the facing of one’s demons if one is to gain
freedom, as far as I can see :-)

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[Comment on:...Can you learn cosmic knowledge from anyone?]

Why not? I took it from a “robot repeating the knowledge by rote” :-)

…Sure, a crashing boar even :-)

Seriously, I’ll take it wherever I can get it — a rock, a drunk, a
dog, an angel, a demon — it’s all the same, with different “spins”.

And FWIW I am now far more an ordinary man on the street than I ever was before, though I have a good deal of “specialness” to dissolve yet, particularly in this medium :-)

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At this moment, it [the-next-step] appears to simply be more of the same — healing and integrating (or dissolving), healing and integrating (or dissolving), becoming more and more less and less, if that makes any sense.

No-i-tu Love = Evolution

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Yes, I actually didn’t even know how deeply I was enmired in a subtle
miasmic fear of *everyone* until I “died/awoke” and noticed for the
first time its *absence*!

Go figure!

*lol*

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It’s pretty easy for most to do so, I think; all we have to do is let
go (at least temporarily) of the belief in the limiting power of
spacetime, and trust the subtle body-messages we get. May not be sight; may be any sense or “knowing.”

I did a lot of work (well, a lot of work by *my* standards, which have
always been pretty slack) with the dead shortly after “waking/dying.”
At that time, I was also doing a lot of “channeling” of the Love/Bliss
of my “higher selves” and on some subtle planes our apartment had a
huge column of light standing in it, which seemed to attract quite a
few confused souls from a number of different time periods.

The work mostly consisted of giving them loving attention, telling them
they were healed and forgiven, one with their Light, and showing them
where the Light is. As they move into it there is often a palpable
lightening of the atmosphere, an infusion of sparkle, like ginger-ale.
I also used to communicate with them for the bereaved for some years
afterwards.

I can’t say that work has presented itself to me much at all in the
last decade or so.

…I can’t really say I have never met an ordinary person, or an
extraordinary one! (Plus, every person is actually a hierarchical group-
mind of countless billions of selves, and every person is a particle of “Us”.)

(And as they are all particles of “Us,” when we give them our
attention, they are immediately bathed in that Light, and usually
realize their innate and ecstatic non-existence as “Us”.)

…Many are actually “asleep” for several days after “death”, and many more are “in hospital” for some time after that. Others go directly into the Light/Bliss/Love, or whatever “mansion” they most desire/need. Some go through *gut-wrenching, heart-breaking* remorse immediately after dying, sometimes for what seem to me to be relatively minor refractions. Others get swept up immediately into a giant angel. And so on…

and realize there’s Spiritual work to do,…

That [watching NFL and drinking beer] too can be and actually is “spiritual” work :-) Sometimes a lifetime or two “off” getting drunk is just what the doctor ordered!

…No matter what their conscious attitudes, “We” are enjoying them,
learning from them, growing from them, and so their lives are all
equally “spiritual” to “Us.” If they wish to join “Us” in their
appreciation of themselves, that’s good too — their choice!

And again, from the simplest, truest POV I am aware of in this moment,
we are actually only describing particles of the “Us”, here and now.

Many thanks matrix — fun questions!

*L*L*L*

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For me, something is “not OK” *in myself* when I realize it is an
addiction trying to distract me from the emptiful “void” or from some
pain I have not yet attended to. As soon as I can bring myself to
fully attend to it, I do, and it dissolves as the illusion it always
actually was.

This process is not as easy as it may sound. It takes a great deal of
courage to attend to those horrific parts of ourselves we’d rather
project onto (and condemn self-righteously) in someone else. In
truth, as I see it, there *is* no one else. The buck stops here. If I
abdicate my responsibility for upholding the whole thing, I place
myself in a disempowered victim role, and the price I pay for
projection isn’t worth the small pleasure of judgement.

(This is not to say I don’t *heartily* enjoy the role of creature as
well as creator; if anything, being a creature is even better than
being a creator, for being a creator is one’s ordinary self, and
being an inifinitesimal creature one can fully appreciate the
infinitely “immense” or “divine” qualities of oneself as creator.
However, I never fully knew that until I allowed myself to be the
creator, to uphold all of creation as myself.)

As for what appears to be others, or those who hold themselves to be
different from me, I do my best to work as quickly as possible back
to unconditional love, realizing with gratitude they are showing me
my own demons. Holding grudges, holding judgements, etc., only hurts
my own physiology, causing blocks to my energy-flow and creating
dis-ease and eventually disease. Again, I must emphasize that this
process this *has no bearing* on what my actual behavior (which is
automatic anyhow) toward them in realtime may or may not be. It does not mean if I see someone committing a “wrong” that I won’t act to stop it. Nor does it guarantee that I will. My actions do not always correspond with what conventional morality would dictate.

…If a person is a serial rapist or a methamphetamine salesman, then evidently the doctor *has* ordered that up, to this point anyway.

This is completely incomprehensible to the small self, I know. I
would have reacted to the above statement with righteous outrage before I “died.”

One doesn’t get this until one learns the full-fillment of surrender
to the perfection that IS. It is not and will never be fully
comprehended by the rational mind, or the intellect, because the
intellect’s function is dualistic and distinguishing: hence, cruder
and more relative than the Self appreciating and surrendering into
the Self, which is what we’re talking about here.

…we’re not talking about logic here. Logic is essentually dualist; it cannot comprehend the paradox of Being. Love
it all (and be it all) or truly love none of it (and think oneself
apart), that’s about as close as my logic can come to describing the
immensity and our logical tendencies towards rejection of That and
the subsequent ignorance we cascade into :-)

:-)
 
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[Comment on:...Buckboard Annies]

God, I loved that place! I lived right across the square, above the
barber shop on the NE corner, and used to go there pretty often :-)

*lol*

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For some reason, most people I talk to *do* seem to be interested in
what I say; maybe because of the relentless enthusiasm of my usual
persona, or maybe they’re only being polite to a “crashing bore” and
I can’t even read their body language; who knows?

It was a rock who first showed me the intense ecstacy of being
densely physical — the more apparently dense, the more intense the
bliss, showing me another layer of the “spirit-and-matter-are-one”
lesson — and another who showed me something of how *they* perceive Being in time. Another showed me how *s/he* too is a devotee of the Self. I don’t consciously commune with them all that often.
 
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Some of my most profoundly moving and awakening experiences have
occurred after reminding myself of the illusion of spacetime, and that
it is all here now, followed by encounters with some of our “space-cousins.”

Not too long ago, for example, after remembering that my body contains all the stars, my attention was drawn to one in particular, and so I went there. Because the stars are all in my body, I knew the world seemed a little “troubled” but that I could go there in “Authority”, as an ambassador or emissary of the will of my Love. As I shrank in size or narrowed my awareness to approach a planet, it showed up startlingly bright, mottled turquoise and russet — less water than ours, smaller oceans and more evenly distributed. I realized this was a “real” or physical world, even to our ordinary sight, and asked its Earth-name so I could research it later. It said, “Ras…Tanni”. That didn’t sound familiar, but I made a mental note.

To my slight surprise I was drawn to an actual building; it was a
pyramid of huge stones rather loosely fitted. I dropped through the top into a chamber inside, where two biped beings stood. They were pale, tall, and shining slightly and it was a little difficult to see phsyical detail, but they looked vaguely saurian, reptilian. I greeted them slightly cautiously but in wholehearted Love-Will and showed them my concern that their system align itself with the greater good in my star-body. They readily and respectfully agreed.

This was rather a profound shift for me. After I returned to and
refocused on my “default” setting here, I went to the star dictionary
and found to my suprise there *was* something like Ras…Tanni. Ras al-Tanni is a star in the Draco (Dragon) system, some say alpha Draconis, which I seemed to remember was a star some of the Egyptian pyramids were oriented to.

I further noticed that after my encounter with the Saurians or Dracos,
my DNA had further shifted, and still another old fear-program had
dissolved.

This is but one of the latest of a number of “enlightening” and heart-breakingly fulfilling encounters with various of our multidimensional cousins, all particles of our Self.

Now, what your post brought up in me, Angela, is this question: I have
often vaguely wondered — given how immensely fulfilling this all is,
why don’t I do this on a more frequent basis? I know that I could if I
wanted to, but I simply don’t want to.

This is one of the oddest things I’ve noticed about “life after death” – - how progressively more difficult it is to summon desire, even for
things that are at the time riproaringly fun and heartbreakingly
satisfying.

As I write this, I realize this may be what some seers have meant when they’ve said it is difficult to progress as rapidly through the subtler realms after death, as one just becomes too content with where one is to keep moving.

Oddly, my “higher selves” said something similar immediately
upon “dying” — they conveyed that I was completely free (this much was obvious and self-evident), but was actually half done (also pretty evident), had balanced 50% of my karma, and would no longer be required to incarnate on earth (putting the concepts in crude terms the remnants of my linear mind could get, I now see)–but that I would continue to die and be reborn on subtler and subtler planes as more and more of my karma was resolved. They said I was free to go ahead and do that now, if I wished, but if I physically stayed on earth, my progress through these planes would be much faster. Of course, I “chose” to stay. There really was no choice, as was clear enough even then :-)

I do know immediately after “dying” I felt immensely grateful to be
shown that there was more than the all-the-same-ness of ALL-That-Is;
there was always a tiny bliss-point of desire-now somewhere in the body which showed where there was more to be attended to.

It’s kind of funny, now that I think of it: the word “desire” comes
from the Latin, something like “de-sidere”, of the stars (as can also
be seen in our term, “sidereal”).

Wow. Just now, for the first time, I *fully get* that etymology! A star
is a bliss-point of my desire….

HA! :-)
 
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I love Shakespeare, in very small doses — have written several plays
with his inspiration.

Though I know nothing at all, for certain, I absolutely love
understanding him in the light of his having been Oxford — allows me
to understand *why* and *how* he wrote much of what he did…
 
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I have to say, the one Raja I have had the pleasure to meet — Raja
Roger at the Raj — impressed me deeply with the rosy unconditional
Love of his Heart-field. We could not stop pranaaming to each other
*lol*–

Love Loves Love :-)

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The great thing about Fairfield for me, is it generally represents
the best of both worlds — a kind of paradise (in the original sense
of “enclosed garden” as well as “other world[s]“)-in-transition,
where there are a multitude of kindred souls in a conducive
atmosphere *and* a semblance of ordinary life for those who want it.

…understanding evolution as *less and less* as much as *more
and more* has been an interesting twist. I saw a bumper sticker
recently that said, “To have more, desire less.” I thought at the
time that would be rather difficult; it seemed easier to desire
nothing and have everything, but upon reconsideration the original
message makes a lot more sense now :-)

I have never been especially sold on the 1% hypothesis, or for that
matter south-door phobias or any of that — though I am certainly
open to the possibility of phase shift, have seen it happen often
enough that as I shift my whole universe shifts; and investigating my
resistance to the south-entrance dogma unfolded vast new
understandings of Shiva Dakshinamurti, “higher-lower” or “future-
past” selves and “ascension” — but I do have to say I am newly
impressed and grateful beyond all imagining with the Domes (not that
I have been pulled to physically go there for more than 2 weeks, a
year ago, but they most definitely *are* my “particle accelerators”),
and with what MMY, my deeper Self, has created for me to enjoy here.
It’s been more emptifulfilling than I ever could have dreamed :-)

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UAU, this is wild! I just realized that this whole phenomenon was
essentially the “flip-side” of some much earlier experiences ocurring
maybe a year after “dying” — when I wondered in meditation what it
would be like to fuse the three primary Theosophical “Rays” of  Will,
Love, and Intelligence, and immediately found myself inside a pyramid
facing a column of fire with some trepidation: I realized I was
expected to enter the fire, and that when I did, it would change my
DNA. After some hesitation, I stepped into it, and was instantly in
no-time-space, pulled up through the top of the pyramid into a portal
vibrating OMMMMM so loudly it appeared to shake the whole universe; I
was informed this particular frequency was my “soul-note.”

The next day I repeated the inquiry and found myself going through
the whole process again, this time going *through* the portal and
into a Council of Masters — 12, around a central One with whom I
instinctively identified.

After that I saw how we all create world-events from this level,
through conscious or unconscious collective deep-sleeping/dreaming
and there deciding to “incarnate” or “dramatize” these events to
express specific feeling-messages from our Master-selves.

(I later realized that fusing the three “Rays” fused the Trimurti or
the 3 gunas, of which the OM or A-U-M is the collective result, and
still later found Freemasonic resonances of this experience in their
Initiation of Raising one to be a Master, where the three “ruffians” -
- JubelA, JubelO, and JubelUM — each possess a part of the Truth,
which needs to be reunited — AOUM –.)

So here we have the “recently-dead” me of 1983, entering the pyramid
to encounter and surrender up, essentially, into the radiant-fire of
the “now-me” who has entered down into the pyramid as an Ambassador of Love in 2005 or therabouts, all to change our reptilian DNA, all in “Egypt” or its direct counterpart, “Ras-al-Tanni or alpha Draconis” or whatever. *lol*

This sort of thing has been happening a lot lately — the monstrously-
arrogant fiery Brahma-ego *finally* became at least partially
digested when I found myself acting out and *understanding* some
behavior I had *detested* in MMY — his apparent favoritism towards
certain students, apparently handing them his mantle: why not *I*,
who was *certainly* at *least* as qualified and deserving as they??

*rofl*

*Now* I fully get it. It *wasn’t his choice,* any more than it is
mine. My love and appreciation and at-home-ness flows most sweetly
and fully to those who surrender most fully to me, to themSelf. It’s
not a matter of choice; it’s a matter of heart; it simply IS. I had
not yet fully surrendered to MMY; how could I expect to receive more
grace than I got? It’s automatic! Now I see both sides of
this “Master-Disciple” dance.

This was what I was getting in the Domes too, last year — how
my “Raam-Raj” or ordinary MMY-Self with the simplest of thoughts
arranges all these experiences for my particle-Selves to perceive and
enjoy and learn from and harmonize with, thereby increasing my
physical integrity and shifting my world into more and more of an
intensely manifest paradise.

More and more, I see, it is a meeting, merging, wrapping up and
fusing of all those parts of myself, past and future, “lower”
and “higher”, who appeared to be stretched out over my personal
spacetime…bringing more and more of them into Here and Now.

And despite how all of this vaporing blather may sound, more and more completely and emptifulfillingly simple and ordinary :-)

Thanks for listening, you ME(s). I feel as if I learned something of value today, and it’s all your fault :-)

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*lol* As a past dealer in used and antiquarian books, I was wont to
consign book-highlighters to the seventh circle of hell, right down
there with aluminum-siding salesmen (thank you, Woody Allen) :-)

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I can’t tell you how he [Raja Roger] appears to “others”; only to me :-)

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For me, the contents of the drama *have no bearing* on my appreciation of the actor; I don’t generally judge someone by how they “act” or, even less, by how others perceive them to be acting. I judge them only by how much they Love “Me”, how at home we are together in this moment.
My love is unconditioned by action, by the gunas; it’s unconditional love. Its only condition is ItSelf.

Selfish? You bet. :-)

Deal!

*lol*

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…these stories are just that — stories. Experiences and memories; no more, no less. They tend to stay pretty much the same over the decades, though I suspect with some memory-degradation over time.

If you really care, you can see for yourself re the stories up to 1990 or so if you read the autobiography on artesmagicae.com. I wrote most of that in 1997, IIRC, ten years ago.

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That said, I *do* appreciate the opportunity to (re)write this old
stuff here, because in talking to myself “out loud” here, as it were,
new connections happen, as they did today — allowing me to appreciate the old “rubbish” in a brand new light, making a new kaleidoscope pattern out of random bits of colored glass.

:-)

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*You* run this planet, Angela, like all of “Us”

IMO and IME when we cut ourself off from that understanding, we’re
selling indescribabele Love for a minor rush of self-righteousness,
fear, whatever.

:-)

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It’s really not describable as celestial or mundane, day to day,
Steve. If I tried to describe it as either this or that, exclusively “special” or “ordinary” in any given moment I would be lying: making up a false story, indulging in unnecessary duality. It’s none of the above, and simultaneously all of the above.

It truly just IS; “we” just Is. I do the things that present
themselves to me to do, in the time they want to be done. We flow.
The universe and I are in love, surrendered, merged, in constant
intercourse, and generally growing more trusting and loving of each
other and accommodating on a pretty regular curve. But it’s also
quite simple and ordinary.

Other than what I am doing right now, I generally haven’t a real clue
what is going to physically present itself in the next moment. It’s a
lot like (what I imagine as) senility in some ways.

If you’re interested in the nitty-gritty of the dream-drama, my wife
and I currently have a great Victorian house in Fairfield, are
selling the one in Maine, and we are working on a couple of books
(histories of Fairfield, though I may get around to reworking and
updating the autobiography and publishing it someday. The time seems to be getting riper for that, in my own understanding of the symmetry of the themes that have unfolded. My thanks to you guys on FFL for much of that.)

I find myself in the Library for a couple-three hours most days,doing
what I’ve always enjoyed — reading really old newspapers, taking
notes and doing genealogy for the books. I often hang out in
Revelations for a few hours a day chatting with my old and new
friends. That’s an unexpected delight Life has shown us these past
few years. We take trips every so often around the country, mostly to
do research and explore.

…Hah! Thanks. I do the best I can. It’s damned difficult to present
this stuff as honestly as possible, communicating the beauty and
impact *without* also implying the false glamour which people tend to
ascribe to it. I fear I am as yet unable to honestly and clearly
convey either the tangible ordinariness of the “celestial” or the
divine immensity of the simply ordinary, both poles being always
freely available.

…Sweet! Many thanks; it’s a real pleasure to be here right now.
Very good to connect with you, too, Steve. I think I get where you’re
coming from; if I hadn’t experienced this “rubbish” I probably
wouldn’t believe it myself. But FWIW it is actual experience, though
that too is not other than poetry.

You’re right about me; for a good many years, like many TMers I
wanted to get up and out, away from the painful mundane, and
experience the divine, celestial, cosmic, whatever. Fortunately or
unfortunately, I had a “physiology” (as we used to say) that somewhat pandered to that “flashy” addiction. I was indeed pretty ungrounded then, though still going to college and grad school, holding down jobs, getting married, all that regular stuff.

The root of that up-and-out impulse pretty much “died” along with
everything else when I finally accepted to my great relief/chagrin
that I am, it IS, and always had been, what I had been looking for
all along, and my task now was to pull a U-turn and actually start
living life here, now, *down in* the physical body, integrating all
that other stuff with life on earth, to revivify the “dead man
walking.”

No experiences “out there” in the subtle worlds, no matter how
celestial and enticing, and no “states of consciousness” could ever
again entrance me as they (and the pursuit of them) had all done
before, for I saw now that they are all temporary, all subject to
spacetime, all reflections “out there” of extremely subtle thoughts
or moods “in here”. They are not the source of our satisfaction; they
are the mask of it (if we don’t know the emptiful void) or the result
of it (if we’ve made our peace with and surrendered into “Us”.

(Even though the root-cause of all addiction — my identification
with a small “I” — was here exposed to the great destruction, all my
petty character-qualities, habits, flaws, addictions, etc. have
pretty much limped along automatically on their own almost as they
did before, winding down gradually only as they come to my attention
to be separated, attended to, and integrated-dissolved specifically.
However, that process is at least actually perceivable and feasible
now, where it was inconceivable and unfeasible before.)

So, it’s kind of a joke in a way — now *all* experience is, and
all “states of consciousness” are (and always have been)
evanescent “mood-making” — but not as a *denial* of what is, as I
used to define mood-making, but as an *expression* of what is:
a “bhava,” an extremely simple and extemely ordinarily subtle mood
of “Us” which is then expressed as experience.

This can be ecstatic and/or horrific, of course, mundane
and/or “celestial” — the content or labelling doesn’t really matter
much at all, except inso far as we gain wisdom & insight as we
arrange and string the glass beads, or at least perceive a pretty
pattern in the beads, if we so wish.

The more I relax and allow it all to BE, the more lovely and
integrated a “face” it all reflects back. But basically, my life is
almost describable as it has always been: still quite mundane,
punctuated by moments of epiphany. The only difference is, it is now
always basically all the same; it’s all always, all-ways only “Us”.
There’s a basic contentment in that that I somehow overlooked when
still trying to BE someone or something and NOT everything else … a
hopeless task!

Sorry this is so darned long; I don’t appear to have the time to make it shorter :-)

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*lol* I love you too! Many thanks for BE-ing.

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I used to delight in seeing and saying “Brahman is slippery!” but I don’t so much like the flip-side, being labelled as “slippery” or “hard to pin down,” because that too is another label, and the knower is prior to all labels, all descriptors, and there we go again with yet another descriptor. I *love* to imagine myself understandable and understood, but only the heart can really do that.

Tom T. told me recently that Sri Sri What’s-his-name (no disrespect or
respect intended; his name is “slippery” at the moment) said, “I lie
all day and lie in bliss all night.” That’s pretty close *lol*

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There’s a fun question, Jim. Damned if I know. *lol* I want to say
Yes and No (big surprise, there, huh!). Let’s see… What do I know…

First off, I don’t experience the senses in exactly the same way as I
(sort of) remember I did before “death.” In the most intimate sense
they don’t run me; I run them (on cruise control), or better yet we
dance together; so whatever is actually perceived is immaterial, is
just Us: Unity or separation, they’re both absolutely OK; it’s just
the particle/field, or creator/creature dance. But even as I write
this, I am in error, because there never is an actual commitment to
separation or unity as there always had apparently been prior. It’s
all just a matter of degree now, a kind of rheostat of intensity, not
an on-off switch; there is no on or off.

That is, on the one hand, the movie runs on as always, but it’s just
a frickin’ movie! I mean, I can get thoroughly engrossed in it,
identify wholeheartedly with the actor(s), and/or I can appreciate
and participate in the musical score, the staging and blocking and
chemistry and timing of the actors, the scintillating or dumb
dialogue, the various tragicomic plot devices, the director’s
empathy, the producers’ influence, the special interests placing
their products, the camera-shots and editing, and so on. But it’s
always a movie that we’re all playing with(in). The seamlessness
or “unity” runs deeper than the senses, or the moods, or any of that.

If I can put my attention there as a desideratum (star-point-desire),
yeah, there’s either unity or something that probably needs my
attention to be dissolved into unity. If I don’t put my attention
there (and I usually don’t), then who knows, and who cares? Who can
say?

I think it may be important now that a number of us (within the
movie) wake up at least enough to give ourselves permission to feel
and know our star-body, to the multiplicity of worlds within us, to
realize that our consciousness determines our ability to meet and
interact tangibly with our “space-cousins” and “time-cousins”,
because it looks as if the time has finally come (within the movie)
for Earth to come out of quarantine and join her intergalactic
family. This should be a lot of fun, and I mean a LOT of fun :-)

*L*L*L*
 
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I wanted to come back to this for a moment, Steve — how could we “sense much authenticity” if we didn’t in some manner already know the truth?

IMO you “sense much authenticity” because you know me; you remember where I’m coming from and you and I resonate; in a sense you’re aware of a “place” where there is only one of Us :-)

…”It’s only a movie…it’s only a movie…” :-)
 
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Yes, and Steven Greer’s story (which sounds like a good one) is
there are also pysch-ops involving faked ET’s to *create* terror,
support yet more industrial-militarization and loss of liberties,
etc. Could well be. That’s why (like Steven) I’d like to emphasize
the consciousness-attunement part of Contact. Harder to get fooled or
misled in any meaningful way when we are primarily perceiving from
the heart rather than merely through the senses.

…if we are doing concentrated “Raam-raj” particle (desideratum) work — if we are giving the particles Love, Beauty, etc., then when we collapse into the particulate perception it can be *overwhelmingly* Love, Beauty, etc., through the senses. But that seems to be the theme for me these days — learning to take more responsibility for the subtle, ordinary thoughts that *create* the experiences that “just happened” to us when we were locked in particle-I mode (i.e., before “dying”).

We apparently tend to repeat an experience only until we “get it,”
though, and after that there’s really no need; we’ve distilled the
wisdom we were trying to show ourselves.

[Comment on:...you are having a great time in Fairfield]…If pressed, I could probably tell myself a pretty honest story to that effect, yes :-)

(Thanks for posting your music, that was impressive!)

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If you are perceiving me through your consciousness, then I think it is
probably *your consciousness* that has the “more of the living
technicolor,” no? Do you not contain what you perceive as me, and
infinitely more?

:-)

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How do you define objective…? I have always been deeply
impressed, shifted, healed, lovestruck and/or bliss-struck in meeting
our counterparts; that in itself has generally been objective enough
for me, as I’m kind of an introvert.

Once around 1984 when playing/working with a “Council of Masters” to manifest the “divine will” into earth, we once had the desire to manifest our love-awareness visibly and watched as our consciousness appeared as “UFOs” to an airliner; IIRC that one was reported in realtime a few days later.

Similarly, I have once also encountered apparently intelligent and
definitely enlightening softly-radiant disk-shaped manifestations
of “Us” which the three people (all channels, FWIW) with me also saw
visibly and experienced directly over our heads, and in the same
manner, as they interacted with us over a period of several hours (I
think), and appeared immediately after we had attended an intro on
Ascension, and while standing around, we had just asked ourselves
what it would feel like to be an “Ascended Master.”

As they shifted in and out of the visible spectrum while continuing
the whole time to bathe us in the most “Pleiadeian” ecstacy I had
ever known, they unfolded a far deeper understanding of “rheostat”
nature of manifestation and the one-ness of spirit and matter, and
for me were a kind of physical culmination of the “ascension” which
had taken place on the subtle in that pyramid I spoke of the other
day.

I’ve spoken of it before here in some detail, and don’t really feel
the urge to go into it yet again at the moment. If you’re interested,
I wrote of that encounter in the autobiography at
www.artesmagicae.com ; it occured late in 1986 just off the Glasgow
road East of town, outside of Randy & Jane Hillner’s house between
about midnight and the early hours.

The mind-blowing intensity of *that* understanding took over a decade to integrate, and I’m actually *still* revisiting that one for further insights from time to time. *lol*

Since then, I have had a number of other encounters, but not with
other people in so-called “real” spacetime.

Am I Sirius? As much as anything else :-)

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…probably the most mind-blowing thing about the 1986 encounter
was there were four of us who all saw and experienced the same thing (including bodily levitation, dematerialization, star-presence, rematerialization and gravity waves, etc.) Though apparently the others, when recounting the story later to the Ascension teacher whose lecture apparently precipitated the encounter, provided her with less detail than I did.

At any rate, this group consensus moved it out of the “vision” realm
and into the “visible” for me and broke still more of the learned
boundaries between spirit and body (or energy and matter), visible
and invisible, gravity and levity, subjective and objective, etc.

Others of my encounters more recently with subtle-field ships, beam-
levitation, galactic council-chambers, etc. also tally closely with
other people’s “dream” or astral, or physical reports. This has been
serving to further remove unnecessary boundaries I had erected
between “waking” and “dreaming”.

Personally, though, I would probably still be very leary of so-
called “space-phenomena” which did *not* exhibit such “rheostat”
spirit-matter flexibility. Without it, it would still smack
of “quarantine” technology.

:-)

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The original post seems to have disappeared, but it mentioned something about “millions of years” before we could attain alien-type consciousness and technology.

Let’s not forget that though time is a lot of fun, it’s just an idea.
Our consciousness already contains those “millions of years” and a
whole lot more (or a whole lot less, if we prefer), and when we
remember that, we can let go of the illusion our senses are insisting
on and essentially *be* anywho, anywhere, anywhen we need, right Here, and Now. This is a kind of FTL, faster-than-light (and faster than time), approach to the Universe.

“What *would* it feel like/look like/etc. if we *could* do this?” is
often a great way to get around our inner spacetime censor.

I’ve found it can be a bit iffy at first, like rusty water coming out
of a long-unused pipe, but as we practice “channeling” our “future
enlightenment” Now, trusting the presence in the crown (and the sacred-heart and the feet) more and more, we can “apperceive” this more and more clearly.

As far as I can see, at a certain point this is the only way to *be*
truly content :-)

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…In mine at the moment, there appears to coexist a sea of mutually-
contradictory “simple facts” or data among which my inner preference,
bias or “mood” automatically selects or “magnetizes” those which align
with it, to support and sustain a world “out there” in consonance with itself.

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…it might seem to be an odd paradox, but I suspect if one moves far enough into *true* infinite  “Magnificence,” one may well eventually be satisfied with Nothing but surrender into the *true* emptiful indescribable; it would appear that anything that breaks our habitual belief in bondage to spacetime is a step in the right direction toward disbelief in everything :-)

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Apparently, one person’s “spontaneous [excellent] qualities are
another’s “co-dependent moodmaking,” then, Vaj; or maybe you meant to say, “*our* group’s enlightened qualities are spontaneous and excellent; *yours* are co-dependent moodmaking”?

Either way, one could probably make a good case for this whole line
of thinking being baloney, along the lines of mistaking sattva (a
guna) for purusha (free from gunas), or mistaking  “making it a
really, really *good* movie” with actual freedom from belief in the
movie.

…Who indeed? If you still think you and I exist, then you do,
apparently, as here I apparently am.

Speaking of editing, perhaps you missed the editor’s gentle hint the
first time around: the possessive of “it” is “its”  — not “it’s”,
which is only used by the literate as the contraction of “it is.”

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Apparently, one person’s “spontaneous [excellent] qualities are
another’s “co-dependent moodmaking,” then, Vaj; or maybe you meant to
say, “*our* group’s enlightened qualities are spontaneous and
excellent; *yours* are co-dependent moodmaking”?

Either way, one could probably make a good case for this whole line
of thinking being baloney, along the lines of mistaking sattva (a
guna) for purusha (free from gunas), or mistaking “making it a
really, really *good* movie” with actual freedom from belief in the
movie.

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As to your statement, Vaj, “Yes and my understanding (perhaps not of
publishing genre) was that it’s ok per casual anglais,” Judy would
like to tell you (and I heartily agree) “that it’s not OK no matter
how casual your anglais, unless perhaps you’re spray-painting it on
the subway walls.”

And in response to your statements, “I don’t live by my c. 1977
Norton Reader or (heaven forbid) a dictionary” and “I’m just an
ordinary being,” Judy points out that “Many utterly ordinary beings
have no need of the dictionary or Norton’s Reader of any vintage to
know the difference between a possessive and a contraction.”

:-)

(P.S. It looks as though you’ve apparently chosen yet again to ignore
the main point of the post: the distinction between sattva and
purusha, or judging “it’s a really, really *good* movie” vs. actually
freeing oneself from belief in the movie. While I enjoy sattvic
behavior as much as the next guy, judging anyone’s behavior
as “enlightened” or “not enlightened” would to me fall into the
category of judging the quality of the movie.)

:-)

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…Judging a person as “enlightened” or “unenlightened” by his or her
behavior is somewhat like judging an actor in a movie as being a
genuinely “good” or “bad” person *based upon one’s response to the
dramatic role s/he happens to be playing in the movie*, when the real
issue is whether the spectator even knows s/he is watching a movie.

Except it is even funnier than that, because it’s not just a movie,
it’s a mirror, so we could see the whole judgment-process as more like
the canary pecking away at his own reflection.

I don’t know much about logic, but I imagine one could call it
a “category error”.

*lol*

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…Another thing about that canary-pecking-at-the-mirror
analogy — When we consider that the mirror completely surrounds and
encases the canary, it could also be called an egg. And how do we get
out of the egg except by peck, peck pecking at it?!

*rofl*

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I don’t haplessly identify with the discriminator as I did before “dying,” as THAT or the “Me” or the Self is behind discrimination, behind buddhi.

In another sense, that’s quite untrue, as you may recall I
have “discriminated” into your sloppy thinking here on FFL, which
oddly enough appears to be about when you stopped seeing me as a semi-enlightened “friend” whose experiences you claimed to like to read, and started seeing me as a “moodmake-y, unconvincing” asshole.

Of course, I am both, or neither.

I repeat, “I” can make no claims to enlightenment or ignorance, “I”
can make no claims to anything but having “died”, and even that from
some POVs must be untrue, as here I apparently still am.

As to shakti over the internet — some get it, some don’t. I couldn’t
care less either way. I think it’s been pointed out many times on FFL
that even the most inveterate “shakti-junkies” *still* manage to
avoid “dying”. No great suprise there — who would purposely trade
all those great kicks for absolute Nothingness? Only those who have no choice.

I am only here to (metaphorically) cut off your head, dance on it,
throw your corpse into my fire, consume it utterly, and scatter the
sparks to the breeze, and why would you want that unless you *knew* just how much suffering your head was causing you?

I do not wonder how or why you so sedulously manage to ignore me.

I’ll wait.

*lol*

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I don’t know about MMY, but that video totally cracked me up; I haven’t laughed that hard in years. I almost choked on my tongue!

In part, I think, it’s a cautionary tale because in making overt claims
of “Invincibility” and “elimination of all negativity” and all that,
they are really speaking of extremely subtle, interior, “Raam-Raj”
particle-loving and one’s consequent integrity and harmony; of the true marriage of Purusha and Prakriti, but this video illustrates how hideously distorted those understandings can become when misinterpreted, misunderstood and misapplied by a separate small-mind, one that has not yet “died.” And I’m not speaking of the audience.

The way the “Raj” treated his “particles” in that video — dully
repeating “Invincibility,” over and over, like a mantra, and *louder*
and *louder* to drown out the objections and consequent chaos, trying to get all his particles to sing along (which they do automatically, “Vedically,” when one is in harmony with them), refusing or unable to actually speak to their concerns, was a perfect example of the tyranny of “Brahma-raj” — the fascism of the ignorant-I — rather than the intimate sweetness of “Raam-raj.”

David Lynch, OTOH, was a very impressive example of “Raam-raj,” I thought.

It was brilliant theater, truly brilliant.

And again, I am *not* judging the depth or breadth of *anyone’s*
actual “enlightenment” here, because there is no one here to
be “enlightened,” to judge or be judged in reality: only appreciating
aspects of my own understanding or lack of it, as illustrated by the
*actors in the movie.* The “Raaj” did a beautiful job acting out the
attempts and strategies of the unripe or not-yet-dead mind to control
its environment. “Lynch” did a beautiful job acting out the ability of
the “dead” to Be Here Now; to listen to feedback and begin to harmonize one’s particles. Each played perfectly off the other.

They’re both perfect; both in reality just momentary fluctuations of emptiful Nothing, of “Me,” of the Self.
 
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…It’s only natural to see Death as the ultimate Demon to be feared,
resisted, denied, trivialized, and ignored. I mean utter death,
not “death of the body or subtle body but my I-ness lives on” denial.

But I’ve never yet met a Demon that can be conquered by running away from it or denying it. The only way to “escape” the Crone is by complete surrender, by intercourse with Her — that’s the way to sovereignty. “Support of Nature” without utter surrender to Nature is half-baked tyranny and yet another ego-fantasy.

It’s interesting to see how universal the “spiritual advice” is that we
can’t really live until we have died. Until we *know* and accept utter
futility — utter meaninglessness, utter sameness, utter evanescence,
utter emptiness, utter Nothingness — our so-called spiritual path and
progress is just play-acting: avoidance mechanisms, addictions to
palliate and ignore the Here and Now.

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…Actually, I think it’s “hear, hear,” if one wishes to be truly pompous :-)

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…You’re right. Things are still *far* too confusing and out of kontrolle.

To macht things truly in ordnung, wir mussen find a way to make dem posts appearen in triplikat!

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…From here, arguing about “meaning” and “distorted traditions” or
attaching any “meaning” to any “tradition” is completely laughable:
just another way to deny the emptiful meaninglessness of one’s a priori Death and attempt to cling to self-importance, judgment, specialness — a complete waste of time and misuse of discrimination, IOW.

OTOH, in retrospect I see TM was an excellent “anti-addiction addiction” for us as it showed us how to transcend, or die, again and again: how to effortlessly give up control, again and again, until we were finally ready to face and surrender to the Big One.

And you’re still misusing “it’s” too.

:-)
 
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…In THIS context, any “tradition,” even a “practical” one is baloney. We don’t die by acquiring more and more, we die by ourselves, naked and Alone.

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Just dropping a friendly reminder that until we accept its [death] presence wholeheartedly as Here and Now, our spiritual journey has not truly even begun.

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Certainly looks like it, doesn’t it? “Life is wasted on the living.”

*lol*

But there’s one thing I’ve learned here: the living can not really
see the dead, and the dead cannot really speak to the living.

To us the so-called living are like ghosts — i.e., the dead who
refuse to acknowledge they are dead, because of some attachment they still hold to earth, some overriding past-memory or future-desire keeping them out of Here and Now. We can speak to them, but they refuse to hear.

The dead can only be truly heard by the dead, or, on rare occasions,
by someone on their death-bed.

Then they can see us, and we can serve as a welcoming-committee, as
was my pleasure with you :-)
 
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Nor is it at all likely that any “spiritual” practice — liturgic,
yogic or otherwise — that *avoids the inner work* will lead to
enlightenment.

From my point of view, that’s absolutely OK.

It is also a “waste of time” *if* one thinks one is going to “get
enlightenment” by pursuing some means that allows them to distract
themselves from embracing the reality of their own death Here and Now.

And that’s perfectly OK too.

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On the one hand, you’re quite right; no emotion is a substitute
for “enlightenment”; nothing transitory is a substitute
for “enlightenment”. On the other hand, you’re killing another straw-
man. I claim no experience as “enlightenment.” Nor does Jim, as far as I can see.

It would appear you’re still managing to ignore me, as I repeat yet
again that Death is the door to Life: everything false must die;
the “eye of the needle” can accept nothing but Truth.

No experience, no “tradition,” no concept, no belief, no attachment,
no “I” can survive the Long View. Death is a sculptor/sculpture,
carefully chipping everything away that is not Real. And that’s every “thing.”

*After* Death, now — that’s different! But you’re in no position to
evaluate any of that until you Die. Surrender to the Crone, and then we’ll talk.

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I haven’t meditated for 25 years…

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Great question [Who's 'me'?]; let’s keep asking.

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Not if there’s a you who’s asking me, no. Duality is a lie.

Each of us has to chip away all the lies, all the beliefs, all the
concepts, to find the answer for ourself. Remove all the Untruth, and
the Truth is what’s left.

That’s what it means to Die.

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…Valuing “Hours long samadhi” is still just clinging to
another experience, nothing whatever to do with Death or Life,
really. Contrasting and comparing the “hours long samadhi”
with “anything else” is just another good/bad duality of
attraction/aversion.

Death shows us that the relative and the absolute are the same, that
samadhi and not-samadhi are the same, spirit and matter are the same, self and not-self are the same, inner and outer are the same, and so on…

And from *this* place, experience shows itself to be as eternal as non-experience :-)

…someone looking for more or longer samadhi is pathetic, just another addict looking for his fix. Anything to escape that nagging sense of futility and failure, eh?

*lol*

…If it’s an experience, it is not Real or True. If it can be defined, it is still not Dead enough to Be of any value.

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…your interest appears to be attacking something or somebody that only exists in your head.

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…Who, indeed [is writing, if you are dead]? You want me to spoonfeed you the answer? Can’t be done.
Find it for yourself. Die and find out. Who is “me”?

…I have identified who “me” is, but I can’t tell you, if you think you are other than “me”. “You” have to find out for “yourSelf.”

…It’s not logic, because logic like language is based on duality — either/or. I am prior to either/or, prior to discrimination. “Atman”
is subtler than “Buddhi”.

So yes, the words are meaningless, in that they cannot directly convey the Real or the True, but they can help to chip away what is not Real and a Lie.

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*lol* Brilliant! That’s “us”, all right :-)

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Oh, I don’t know; I’d say he’s pretty close here — his main hang-up seems to be he still thinks samadhi is “special”.

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(And you’d better make sure to add a super-duper extra helping of “phwam!” so it will be nice and *special* for him…)

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PHWAM!

This IS the best description of ‘me’ EVER!

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ADHD + Alzheimer’s = “Line on Air.”…

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Joseph Atwill’s “Caesar’s Messiah” provides the most convincing
evidence to date I’ve seen that Christianity was invented by the
Flavian Roman emperors as a device to curb the Messianic zealotry of the Jews.

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Not IME. Death is the great equalizer.

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FWIW, today is the start of Winter in the “Rorian” Taurus-Equinox (T-
E) Calendar, when the Sun enters T-E Capricorn. This is the month of
the Indigo Mason, or Crone: Kali, Cailleach, Loki — Saturn as Binah
the Sterile Mother — she is the Critic, the Stonecutter, chipping
away all identification with the unTrue and unReal. She is Death to
all that is impermanent.

These first 2.5 days of Crystal-Month are especially interesting,
when her mate the Violet Alchemist (Jupiter, ruler of T-E Aquarius)
slays his father, the Golden Solar Creator (Baeli-Braehim), by
blinding his right eye: as the Sun is the right eye of the Cosmic
Person, the death of the sun is the transcendence of the right eye,
or “masculine” pingala-current. This story finds echos in Loki’s
instigation of the slaying of Baldur the Beautiful with the spear of
mistletoe, Lug’s slaying of Balor of the Baleful Eye, “St.” George
(Gae-ourgi, “earth-worker,” but more accurately “Molten-metal-
worker”) slaying the fiery dragon, and probably Odysseus’s blinding
of the Cyclops and Samson (Shamash-On, Sun-God)’s blinding and
captivity in the “mill” of the North (the heavens turning about the
pole star).

For us personally, it is a commemoration of the slaying of our
radiant Brahmic-ego, or Solar Angel, for its excessive pride. Not
surprising, I guess, that this issue has been lively for us again of
late …

*lol*

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…I am not claiming to have vanquished *my* excessive pride; only that it has been an issue of late, and I didn’t even realize I was playing out the drama of my own calendar-system!

And anyhow, the Brahmic-Solar-ego descends into the Northern
Underworld in a fortnight, and is reborn again around Dec. 24-25, and so on and so on…nothing lasts forever, not even Death :-)

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I think Judy has pointed out could not function in this world without
*some* discrimination; after “Death” it simply is not predominant, more like a fine, multi-colored oil-layer of variety on an ocean of ThatSelf. Call it “leshavidya” if you like, or simply keeping one eye on the movie :-)

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You saying I’m full of Bull…winkle?

No argument there :-)

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…This simile still implies that the “oil-slick” and the “ocean” are in someway different though, and that’s not true.

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More accurate would be that old analogy of the ocean’s depths and the minute vibration of its surface waves.

More like a constant collapse-and-return of the unbounded into the
particle(s) and vice versa, with the particles’ being essentially
nothing but “programmed” unbounded; unbounded dreaming and acting out a “what-if” or “let’s pretend” scenario.
 
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*lol* “Saving the world….one particle at a time!”

(DISCLAIMER to ANY and ALL of mySelf: The above is only a joke, an
obsolete program, a work of fiction, which does not in any way reflect
any true belief, attitude or opinion of anyone, or of no-one. More
truly perhaps, there is no world to be saved, hence no savior(s) and no savee(s)…nothing good or bad, but thinking makes it so)

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You can pretend anything you like, crusty or not, as always :-)

…I believe I have made it abundantly clear I am “just pretending,”….

You may take any role you like, as always :-)

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“Braman is slippery” — MMY said it, too, so it must be true :-)

Seriously (more or less), what do you expect of “something” that is
subtler than either-or, a priori to language?

How many here understand that the Self is prior to discrimination?
Mmm?

… Almost everybody.

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The memory of non-self remains, by which and through which the Self
knows itself as the Self. It’s not that *all* discrimination vanishes,
necessarily; it just no longer predominates. It now serves the Self, rather than obscuring it.

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But “to know itself as Self” is not like any other knowledge, which
is indeed dualistic and based on a comparison, on an either-or discrimination.

That’s why this Self-knowledge is so mind-blowing — literally. It is
so ordinary and so special, so still and so dynamic, so Dead and so
Alive, so *this* and so *that* — so slippery, so concrete, so in-
your-face paradoxical. Literally unimaginable, literally unspeakable.

Yet it IS; I AM.

Discrimination cannot capture it; discrimination can only surrender awe-struck.

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YES — “Understanding” is probably a better word than “Knowledge” as
Now we both figuratively and literally Under-stand ourSelf, and it is
truly and simply a whole-body BEing.

It is the rock-solid bottom of the inquiry, Under-standing itSelf :-)

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I wrote a paper on this very subject while working on my Master’s at
Harvard Divinity School… That was in 1980 or so, right after
constant immersion in the omnipresent gold light/angels/deities/blah-
blah-blah of “Unity” and immediately followed by 2 years of Dark Night.

I wonder if there was a correlation *there*?

*lol*

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(Dis/claimer to any and all of mySelf: Please, please, please — plunge
into the Dark, if that is where (y)our inquiry takes us! The True Dark
is not “bad” — or “good” for that matter — it is not even Dark
because of an absence of Light. It is Dark because it is *faster than
light* — outside of the bubble of illusory spacetime. That where ourSelf lies, Truly :-) )

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…the omnipresent gold-light/angels/deities/etc. would be the subjective (and by that I mean “real”) equivalent of attaining lightspeed and essential identity with the laws of nature; with further acceleration the inevitable onset of the Dark if resisted (and it usually is *lol*) with belief in stories, concepts, etc. brings suffering, as all resistance = suffering. Kind of like trying to crawl back into the spacetime womb, resisting one’s own birth. But afterwards, we can “program” the particles and superimpose whatever story of duality they/we like on the emptiful-indescribable, but without that bind of identifying belief and consequent resistance, there is no suffering.

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IOW, because we know we are “nothing” we can give our particles
ANYthing they desire (desire = of the star(s); particular).

Our simple, ordinary thoughts are just thoughts to us, but they are
concrete, physical, divine mandates to those particles/gods within us
to whom we are “God”, and who make up our space-time physiology or body-mind.

By honestly attuning to our desire-particles, bestowing grace on them,
and listening to their feedback, and adjusting our subsequent grace-
bestowals to meet their needs, we comb or align them into harmony with us, into integrity, converting the resistant or “demonic” aspects of ourselves into coherent or “angelic” polarity.

Thereafter as we fluctuate from “nothing” or boundlessness
into “particular” or spacetime bodymind, our bodymind now projects the paradise we have programmed…as it was always meant to do, and has been faithfully doing, ab principio *lol*

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…by the bye, OMGAkashaNewMonitor, I seem to remember that you
recently claimed you found me boring and didn’t wish any further
contact with me. Have you changed your policy, or was that or this
but a momentary lapse, a verbal eructation as it were, indicative of
a smidgen of mental indigestion, a bit of undigested beef?

In any case, not to appear elitist or exclusive or anything, but it’s
a pretty fair bet that what I have recently been discussing with Jim
will be of no real use to any who haven’t yet embraced their Death in
the perfection of the Here-Now.

I could be wrong of course, but I don’t think one can truly
appreciate a star-particle point-self and its potential as
emptifulness collapsed unless and until one has actually surrendered
into emptiful Nothing. The Unsurrendered/Unrealized would tend to see it as just a fairy tale.

“End of story!” *lol*

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Yes — I would write to you privately, but I do have a clear feeling
these dialogues are actually useful to others of Us as well.

…*lol* Couldn’t say, Jim, but God knows, I remain somewhat “humbled
and embarrassed” by a good deal of my own thoughtless and immature behavior, both before and for some time after Death.

I am constantly astonished at the sweet forgiving depths of
understanding, love and grace in Him/Her, the “Deep-Me” against whom as a particle I so often believed I was rebelling:-)

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…I replied to your post in which you had said I and others are making
claims to enlightenment, or higher states of consciousness, or some
such sweeping inaccuracy. (Again, even several years ago when I had
said, “I am enlightened,” I also added, “and so are you.” This has
always been my thrust here; I have not claimed “enlightenment” as a
better-than-thou state, as you appeared to imply.) When I responded
to your “defamation,” asking you to leave me out of it — I can make
no claims to anything but to having “Died,” I believe you replied to
the effect that I bored you and you didn’t particularly wish to
converse. I said that we were in agreement then, and if you could
refrain from bringing my name up here again, I could probably refrain from boring you further.

I perhaps incorrectly assumed that your not wishing to converse with
me would actually include your not responding to my posts.

…Within the movie, I exist, I create, I destroy, I feel, and I am (sometimes) deadly serious about those who resist me, particularly with this type of evasive and snarky dishonesty.

…Feel free to re-open the lines of conversation if and when you decide
to “get real” about your feelings, instead of using Monist
slipperiness as an excuse for snide remarks, which are in turn AFAI
can see apparently an excuse for denied rage. Not too surprising in
view of your past-stated belief that “Brahman” despite its wholeness
must somehow exclude the quality of rage :-)

And yes, I *do* realize I am as always only talking to mySelf!

At the moment, I am playing St. George, lovingly spearing a
particularly slippery dragon-coil of my DNA, a piece that has
fearfully and hatefully eluded my attention until Now. There’s
the “dragon-story” you asked for!

Nailing me and loving it! :-)

*lol*

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You just said, “To me, anything with words is a story. Even OM / AUM
has its story — and is a story. If you take your stories so serious as to believe them to be something else, then, as you please.”

If so, typing “Nice story” is redundant and meaningless, as it’s
equally applicable to all conversation, isn’t it?

So what did you really mean by the phrase? Are you trying to dismiss
my observations of our interactions *within the story*?

It just sounds to me like more of your snidely dishonest “advaita
shuffle,” anything to avoid real introspection and Self-Work.

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Go Know yourself,… — and I don’t mean just in the Biblical sense :-)

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…Not to do the “advaita shuffle,” or anything, but I am not at all convinced that there *is* “someone besides yourself,” or myself, or whatever. How could we ever know?

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I am certainly not surprised that it’s clear to you, Judy, as you
obviously Understand that (y)our consciousness contains it all, but I
must say I am a little surprised that another “Dead guy” claims that
he doesn’t get the “self-evident” bigger picture which Davies’ work
so clearly points to.

Maybe Dr. Pete has forgotten what the world looks like to those who
ain’t No-one yet?

  :-)

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…I mean to say, “maybe you have forgotten what the
world looks like to those who don’t know they are No-one yet?”

Questioning the hitherto-unquestioned assumption that there is an
external order to which the Universe conforms, is *huge*. IMO it shows a consciousness beginning to actually become aware of itself and its own participatory role in universe-manifestation.

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…And I don’t mean this in a purely intellectual way; his words *actually
tickled and stirred Me* bodily. He is becoming a knower of Me, of That-Self.
 
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…A Knower of the Self *is* my Self.

At present most people look/feel like love/light/bliss-points in me,
which if drawn to do so I either pay attention to and watch
them “warm up” or “lighten up” or “quicken” (as is usually the case
nowadays), or else “incarnate” and experience from the inside out, if
need be (which is actually quite seldom nowadays), and in either case
only to whatever degree is appropriate.

In Davies’ case, he was *not* a bliss-point at all; he was right from
the start an entire field, a significant portion of me. Not my Self,
exactly, but … definitely tickling in that vicinity *lol*

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…I don’t know about Shotokan, but I’d say you guys are about equally tied in higher-belt rants :-)

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Sorry; I was *wondering* if that sentence construction might not be all
that clear. Simply meant incarnating or manifesting through (the
various bodies of) another, coming up as a different wave of our ocean
so to speak, to experience something of how another experiences Life –
also useful for tickling the bliss-points in another’s physiology, to
help facilitate their moving through their painful (mis)interpretations
of that bliss, so we can meet and enjoy the bliss together. I think
Patanjali 3:37 describes this briefly. All very much like what you were
describing, I believe.

:-)

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…I had a *lot* of fun with it, thanks :-)

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Ahh, but you see, Jim, he *is* condemning *you* — trying desperately
to find and prove “flaws” in you so he won’t have to look up to you as
a role model, which is what he thinks you want!

You remember how that worked, don’t you? I had forgotten, I admit, but FFL has beautifully reminded me of how the separate self still thoroughly identifying with buddhi has only two near-automatic choices in any given moment: me-better-than-you or you-better-than-me. That everything-utterly-perfect-everything-the-same US we essentially take for granted is anathema to the identified self; still sees it as Death and boredom and so on…

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*lol* Well, I just see it as what discrimination DOES — it is always
deciding which alternative is better. That’s its job. It applies
itself to everything. And when the unrecognized Self identifies with
it and is obscured by it, there is no appreciation of the underlying
perfect-USness everywhere, and so it creates nothing but misery. In
fact it thrives on it, fights for it, as it feels it would have no
reason to live if everything really IS perfect. The old “great
servant, lousy master” routine. Gotta love it! :-)

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…True that. But I kid you not; these guys have as much as said so,
many times. It would be tragic if it weren’t so funny, or vice versa :-)

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You watch; right now those Buddhis are interpreting *even this*
conversation as elitist, special, attention-grabbing, unconvincingly mood-makey, etc. etc. etc.

They *have to* or *they will “Die”* .. and identified-Buddhi is not at all psyched about the prospect of being dethroned, not until it
actually comprehends the unceasing misery of identification with aversion-desire/spacetime.

Said it before, I’ll say it again: Life is wasted on the so-called Living :-)

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Here’s the really funny part. They are so terrified of the coming
tyranny, terror, fascism, and torture “out there” and completely
unaware that the coming nightmare is Disneyland compared to the
absolute tyranny, terror, fascism, and torture they are subjecting
themselves to every moment — voluntarily trading their birthright not
even for a mess of spinach, but for a handful of burning nettles — and congratulating themselves on the trade.

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Anything “out there” is Disneyland, period. If it really matters, I
remember war. I am still standing amidst the ashes, rubble, bones,
and stink of an incinerated Germany and knowing nothingness, and
utter humiliation and failure to protect my people.

What’s going on “in here” is far worse: because it has a sugar
coating, allowing us to ignore a far more horrendous and insidious
tyranny that robs us of utter freedom, doesn’t allow us to have a
truly clear thought, or perceive clearly that we aren’t actually
free. And again, I’m not speaking of mere political freedom. I’m
speaking of a thought-control so subtle we aren’t even aware that
it’s there or that we’re fearfully chained by it, until it Dies.

We’re afraid, all right.
 
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AnyOne of Us who can listen…? If what I say doesn’t resonate for
you, feel free to ignore it, of course.

FWIW I too am really moved by your great heart, Curtis, and I wish
you nothing but the best.

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I’m not here to keep quiet about what I see, or to lie to you to make
you feel better, if that’s what you want.

I’m here to tell the truth as simply and as clearly as I can — I feel
I owe you that much.

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You mean, one of Us is not threatening your Buddhi-tyranny at the
moment, and the other two of Us are?

You’re just like Vaj, aren’t you? You want us all to keep quiet, to not
rock the boat?

“The only good Dead-guy is a dead Dead-guy!”

*lol*

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…all things being equal, I like a movie with a nice pat (fat) happy Hollywood ending, like all “dumb Americans” (I am not implying by these quotes that this term or idea is yours; I am merely laughing at us a little) :-)

But it’s still only a movie, and to be bound to a nice movie is
infinitely worse — INFINITELY worse — than being free in a nasty
one. We can truly *enjoy* the nasty one if we are free, for freedom is bliss. We cannot truly *enjoy* the happy one if we are bound, for we are bound in fear.

…Truly, I don’t know how to say this any more clearly, I am not at
all “enlightened,” as the word is apparently commonly understood.
That’s only an I-max movie too, as far as I can see. I am just a
simple ordinary guy, or better yet, virtually nothing at all. I’m dead; that’s all. :-)

And I know it probably doesn’t seem like it, but it is in — and out
of — love and laughter and compassion that I am being as truthful as
I can in speaking out (where I have at least a remote chance of being
heard) and pointing out the “tyrannical conspiracy” that lies around the heart of things — just as you do.

Love You,

R.

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Not enlightened, just doing the best I can, with the narrow set of skills at my disposal :-)

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Yeah, yeah, Ma, I get it; don’t rock the boat, go along to get along,
you gotta be polite to get ahead in the world, when am I going to get
a real job and make you proud. It’s just not me. But thanks for the borscht :-)

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…I love how the flea sits on the elephant’s rump, thinking it can control the elephant :-)

…I know I am both, but it wasn’t until I saw the
elephant’s ass that I realized that the “I” that I had thought I was,
was only a flea.

YMMV, of course; I really can’t speak for you.

…Actually, I am not assuming any superiority *over you*, Curtis; I
never have. I know that you and I are utterly the same.

I am asserting superiority *over Tyrannical Buddhi*. If you are
reading my lines as put-downs of You, I suspect it is because you are
momentarily identifying with Tyrannical Buddhi. (Or of course it
could simply be because I am an arrogant asshole :-) )

…and where for that matter did I say you weren’t “enlightened” ?

…The only one-upmanship I am asserting is over *Tyrannical Buddhi*,
not over You.

…That is quite correct. I am not here just to shoot the shit and
compare different realities. I realize this may look “fundamentalist”
to you, but BTDT, and it’s a waste of time. There is no real
conversing with Tyrannical Buddhi, it only wants to lure Us into its
mood-making stuporous haze with its logic and “reasonableness.”

…Not a TMer, and any “higher states” I reached were a complete
fool’s paradise. They were only useful in showing me what I *didn’t*
want — which on reflection, was absolutely good enough, at that.
Negative information is still information :-)

…No wall whatsoever here, Curtis, except between me and Tyrannical
Buddhi, and I can’t help that. It wants to be the boss, and it’s simply not smart enough for that :-)

…I love you, man. I wasn’t kidding or making a put-down when I said I
feel moved by your great heart. It’s awesome.

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It’s been 25 years since I saw that ’states’ were completely irrelevant.

…It is civil and effective for those who are not resisting; for those who still identify with the Tyrannical Buddhi, it is seen quite rightly as an Act of War :-)

…Here’s a little hint from me to you: If you are still resisting Us,
then did you really let Guru Dev and MMY finish the job? If you
didn’t, are you really in any position to judge which of Us is more effective at “liberating” you?

Apparently we are *all* still failing miserably :-)

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…I repeat: Apparently we are *all* still failing miserably :-)

As far as I can see, people either “liberate” themselves or they stay in bondage.

“Death or cake? Oooh, cake, please!”

*lol*

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Yeah, until we have the freeing dissociation, we can’t really turn
around and see the story as love-light-bliss.

Death isn’t an instant fix to everything, but it’s only after Death
that the real “spiritual work” really *begins* — the alchemizing of all that old shit into gold.

:-)

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…Do you mean dance *of* the kleshas or dance *on* the kleshas, or is there a difference?

Are you implying that those are the only two choices, quiet or kleshas?

If there is a third choice, how would you know it?

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Me? No. I just liked your term “klesha-dance” and was open to hearing
more of your backstory.
 
…JOOC, have you ever used ice-packs to the skull and eaten meat and
potatoes in heavy gravy to keep yourself from thinking too much?

What would have happened if you had let the thinking run its course, I
wonder?

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… I suspect we might find that “kleshas” and “quiet” are concepts
built of nothing — but that believing in them serves nicely to keep
the meaninglessness of Death away, and thus to keep one imprisoned by the Tyrannical Buddhi, but of course I could be Dead wrong.

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Many thanks, Rabia! Despite and/or because of the oddly endearing
Romper-Room-style presentation, I found this to be one of the
clearest Understandings & transmissions any of my particles (mini-
me’s) are currently giving of ourselves and Me (maxi-me) :-)

*Love*Light*Laughter*

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…I completely support the indescribable perfection of the status quo :-)
 
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I am doing this constantly, with the particles who actually wish to surrender into me :-)

…Not everyone wants peace, and everyone is busily manifesting their own “paradise” from their actual desires. And really any time we are
in pain and attack another, from believing in a “should” thought, a thought in rebellion against what IS, we ourselves are not at peace; we are contributing to war :-)

…I am fully content with all these things as they are in this moment — I *LOVE* the way all these things are in this moment; it is all radiantly perfect, divine — simply because it all IS.

Resisting what IS in this moment only creates stress and suffering. As BK says (slightly paraphrased), “I don’t argue with what IS; that’s God, and I don’t argue with God; I only lose 100% of the time!” :-)

…my desires are generally pretty closely in line with what IS. When we passionately love what IS, then what-IS passionately loves us, and that’s how the desires we do have are miraculously fulfilled so quickly and easily  :-)

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Odd — I thought I was very clear! Maybe if I speak louder :-)

I PASSIONATELY LOVE IT ALL, AS IT IS, and AS IT WAS, and AS IT SHALL BE. I MOST PASSIONATELY LOVE IT AS IT IS, in this moment, because THAT’S THE WAY IT IS, RIGHT NOW, and NOW is WHERE IT IS AT.

…It’s not a matter of *my* choice — it’s the particle’s choice,
always, to imagine that it’s not me, to explore its denial of me and of what IS, and consequently to suffer, for just as long and as intensely as it wishes :-)

…any thing that we see as a “should” outside ourselves needs healing, for it is a thought that is denying what IS and thus is a lie. The bodymind knows it’s a lie because it hurts; it creates stress and suffering.

Genuine peace and love and bliss are reattained when we Inquire, and
through Inquiry see through and give up the lies and denial and
external “shoulds” — as we realize they are all projections; we’ve
been attacking illusory demons, ourselves and others, out of the pain
and anguish we’ve been inflicting on ourselves through our false
beliefs, that they all out there “should” be different.

Something out there SHOULD be different:
Is that really true?
Are we really sure that’s true?
How does it feel to think they “should” be different?
How would we feel without that thought?
Can we see any stress-free reason to keep that thought?
Are the turn-arounds on the thought equally true or truer — are
those detested qualities “out there” really inside ourselves?

Anyone can react against the evil out there and act to change it, and
most do. More power to them! But IME it takes real courage to root
out the evil where it actually lies — in our own beliefs, our own
thoughts. That’s when we truly end the war.

Right action continues, as always. And IME the actions arising from
Love and Peace and Bliss are infinitely more effective than those
arising from pain and suffering and contempt and hatred — i.e. from
false beliefs and projections :-)
 
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I actually was joking when I put it in caps, but I can certainly see
how that may not have been clear, as although I put a smiley-face
after it, I often do that, simply to attempt to convey the underlying
bliss! :-)

And I didn’t exactly repeat myself; I also amended my previous
statement to include loving what was and what shall be — but
emphasizing most what IS, as NOW is where IT IS; NOW is where the
Work most clearly shows itself, where the most Love and Bliss and
Consciousness lies wrapped up in illusion.

Truly, anyone can love what isn’t; almost everybody in fact loves
what isn’t, or what appears not to be; if this stems from a hatred or
denial of what IS, it spawns action stemming from stress and
suffering, pain and fear and anger and hatred and contempt — rajasic
action, as it were, “acting out,” instead of clearly seeing and
healing the root-cause. That’s fine, but IMO & IME there is no
challenge there; one isn’t facing one’s own demons; one is attempting
to change one’s hairstyle by combing the mirror :-)

…I don’t consider there to be a fault; it is all perfect; it’s the way my particles are choosing to play right now. If and when they wish to end their suffering, they will tire of their play and surrender into what IS, and that will be perfect too, even for them/me.

If you feel Iraq should be different than the way it IS in this
moment, I invite you to Inquire more closely :-)

…What makes you think I wish to leave it as it is? Nothing stays the
same. I LOVE it as it is, and based on that LOVE, I LOVE what is
constantly emerging :-)

…Loving what IS, is the result of doing the Work and remembering the
truth: Sat = Being = Love = Truth; it is its own reward. Remaining
outside of Love in this moment, refusing to acknowledge the
perfection of what IS, is any given particle’s own choice, which I
LOVE and honor fully :-)

…You wrote a great deal about how what IS is the rotting corpse of
God, and so on. If you passionately LOVE the rotting corpse of God,
excellent; then we have no argument! My error; I thought I smelled
some rejection there, some “should be different” :-)

…We’ve been over this point many times in the past few years; I guess
I somehow haven’t been clear — I have said many times that I have no problem with change, with visions, with actions, with desires, with what could be and shall be. How could I? Life is change. I LOVE it all. Why do you think that somehow makes me want to resist change? LOVING it all is the perfect basis for change, the perfect foundation for change.

…If you are exercising your divine right from a place of denial of Now
and its consequent pain and anger and fear etc., IME your results
will not be particularly divine :-)

…this moment is what I am talking about Loving fully. It all starts Here, Now.

…Who is saying we are restricting nature? Why do you think that Loving what IS implies stagnation? I have found precisely the opposite :-)

…Comment on:…do you see me as advocating action arising from pain and …hatred?]

Not if you passionately love the “rotting corpse of God” in this moment, with all your heart — otherwise, yes :-)

…IME Loving what IS is not “quicksand” [staying stuck in what already happened]; it is divine heartfire :-)

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I see essentially nothing but indescribable perfection in you –
utter bliss and passionate love and brilliant radiance, but that’s
not really the point, is it? Does it really make any difference to
you, what I see or don’t see? It’s how *you* see and feel Now that
makes the difference for *you* NOW, doesn’t it? :-)

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Is that something I should do? Is it OK with you if I don’t ponder it
deeply until I really GET it this time?

Because it’s completely OK with me whatever you do or don’t do, or
GET or don’t GET. I can live forever with you exactly as you are,
*and/or* you can change and “grow” to your heart’s content; I am fine
either way; you’re going to do whatever you please anyway, right? :-)

…For me, there is no real difference between what IS and what is
constantly emerging — except What IS, is crucial to what is
emerging :-)

…You wrote, and I quote: “Don’t Love what is, What is is a stinking
corpse — something God has moved on from. God is on the move — Run, jump and keep up with It. Love the journey. Love what Isn’t — what Could Be….”

I could be wrong of course — perhaps a grammarian could weigh in
here –  but that “Don’t” certainly looks like a literal imperative
to me :-)

…But who cares about me, let’s talk about you.
Should my words appear less “inertic”? Should I step out of my quicksand? :-)

…Should I be less glib; should I rise to the wave in every moment and catch it? Is that true? etc.

…I said, “*if* you are exercising your divine right from a place of denial.” Whether you are or not is for you to say, not me. I see nothing but indescribable perfection, but what good is that to you? What do *you* see?

…So, there’s lots of inertia. I am down with that; how about You?

…So, my words reflect stagnation. Should I be speaking or acting differently? etc.

…YES — they [aghoras] LOVE me :-)

…[Comment on:...Is heart fire like hell fire and bimestone?]

Exactly! It may look and feel exactly like that until we look closer :-)

Brimstone, anyway; I am not sure what bimestone is. Is that the new, improved, ertic brimstone? :-)

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But to be fully effective, it has to be OM Sri Sri Sri Getajob Namaha

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…I am still motivated to dynamically accomplish everything I wish to do, but it’s out of love, fullness and inspiration, not out of suffering or lack :-)

…I take it as fact, because I’ve actually tried it [Byron Katie "the work"] and found it works, like many thousands of others :-)

[Comment on:...research would be helpful]

Like actually trying it…? :-)

…”Don’t love what IS, what is is the rotting corpse of God” — priceless! A perfect recipe for continued denial and suffering! Talk about loving the status quo! :-)

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…I believe I have mentioned here that I have time and again seen instantaneous manifestations of our desires on the global — actually, universal — scale. In fact, it’s become pretty clear that all of us are operating from that level all the time, only usually it is in what we might call the state of “deep sleep” (but which we might also call the causal realm), so we remain unconscious that all this drama is a fulfillment of our own writing, direction and production :-)

…Everything affects everything else, IME :-)

…Truly, that was the most brilliant joke I have seen here in a long time — pretending to be against tamas and inertia, while actually espousing it and loving it far better than I! I bow to the Master! :-)

…IME the consequences shake the entire universe :-)

…Yes, you have reminded me that it actually IS a lot of fun to laugh at myself! (If indeed you’re not laughing with me on this one.) I have to thank you for that too — Again, I bow to the Master :-)

…Oh, trust me — You are providing me endless fun and delight and self-discovery! :-)

…You’re very welcome; happy to be of service! And you have most definitely invigorated mine; many thanks for that :-)

Love Us Always :-)

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…It’s not about me, it’s about you. Iraq is apparently a problem for you, not for me.

The truth is, consciously or not, *I create and support ALL of it!* And so do you. That’s what “Loving what IS” is all about, IME.

Discover it for yourself, if you want, or not, as you please :-)

…you apparently want your “jail-house Wok” time to continue at any cost :-)

…Yes, we have always remained beautifully “connected” — i.e., in
bondage, addicted — to the outer phenomena: in the “cell-block,” as
you put it, as we have for so long obeyed your age-old and stale
imperative “Don’t love what IS” — I really couldn’t have phrased the
ego’s rebellious stance of denial any more succinctly than that!

Again and again I cheer you on — “Wok on, Jimmie Dean!” Rebel
without a cause, indeed! :-)

…Surrendering to THAT at every step, and discovering that’s US, Yes.
THAT works for me. THAT will *never* be your trip, and THAT also
works for me! :-)

…If that’s what I am showing you, it does, and I am; thank you! I’m enjoying it all hugely from here; many thanks, again. :-)

…Oh, I am not saying I have found you at the farthest shore, by any
means — you are much closer to my center than that :-)

…Yes, yes! always *in front*! That’s where we belong, right? NOW isn’t
good enough for US! We DENY Now! We’re so Heroic, so — so DIVINE!
No, BETTER than Divine, if the Divine is stuck in that poopy old NOW! :-)

– not lamenting the dimished (aka”dead”) part of the
> wave already past.

Nor Loving it, right? :-)

…As Rory once said, “The horror! The horror!” :-)

…If we keep right on passing by, right on denying, what IS
in favor of our dreams and illusions out in front, I’m sure we will
keep right on providing ourselves with lots of playtime, lots of that
same old story of *bondage & domination* forever!

The jailhouse WOKS! :-)

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…”Here, let me control that for you!” *lol* Classic, Vaj…

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…This is a pretty good portrait of what our rebellious ego looks like,
stripped of its hypocrisy, lies and denial. We could call it
Luciferian because it hates What-IS, God, and thinks in its pride
that it can do better — but IME/IMO any seed-impulse germinating
from hatred and denial and contemptuous rejection of What-IS can only bear similar fruit, completely lost in the illusions and suffering spun out of addictive denial.

One way to harness that Luciferian energy however is to dream big and bigger and biggest; to think big and bigger and biggest; think of how it COULD be, utterly, eternally perfect, and then to Will that this perfection must — since it is eternal — actually be Here, Now :-)

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And then, pay attention to and respond to — but *don’t believe* — all
the inevitable objections that arise within :-)

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Actually IMO it is God pretending not to be God, pretending to be God. And IME we don’t tend to see the real core denial until we are strong enough to face it  :-)

…IMO/IME both aspects need each other; if either denies the other we’ve got problems :-)

…the ego thinks it has an antagonistic relationship with Us, with what IS — and so it suffers, and denies that it suffers. It’s all good from here, though :-)

I’d love to continue on down through your great post, Curtis, but
I’ve got other things I am called to do right now, so I am going to
have to stop here. I very much like what you’re saying, though,
overall — you and I are not IMO that far apart :-)

…IMO *no* experience means much of anything; the key is to realize we “bigger” than that; we are the container of all of them; and of all of it :-)

(Thanks again — later!)
 
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AMEN, brother! Hallelujah, indeed :-)

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*lol* Yes, really raced down field, knocking down all those straw-men –er, “opponents” — almost as if they were *real*! :-)

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It’s been a *great* pleasure knowing a fellow “knower of reality” here
on FFL, Jim! I hope to meet you in Fairfield someday, or who knows where…:-)

And to everyone on FFL — Many thanks for letting me get to know
you/us; I love you all! It looks as though this will be IT for me for
the forseeable near future — so, from the depths of my heartfire, I
hope you have fun reaching for the stars …
and discovering that they’ve always been inside US all along, Here and
Now :-)

* Love * Light * Laughter *

Always…

:-)
 
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…some scholars have hypothesized that the Biblical stories of
Exodus etc. are (heavily edited and re-edited) accounts of
a “heretical” Egyptian sect that after much civil strife and violence
broke away to worship (and sacrifice) the Ram (Aries) instead of
the “Golden Calf” or Bull (Taurus), not long after Aries replaced
Taurus on the equinoctial cusp, and further equated “Moses” (Egyptian
for “heir,” as Thothmosis, Ramoses, Ahmose, etc.) with Akhenaten, the
heretically monotheistic would-be Pharaoh who led his people into
exile.

Perhaps interestingly, I encountered all this some years after
cognizing/creating/remembering an “Eternal” (i.e., stable, non-
precessing) zodiacal/tarot/chakra system *not* in lockstep with the
actual constellations, and placing the Spring Equinox eternally
between Aries and Taurus. This would now appear *perhaps* to be the primordial Egyptian system which was supplanted by the time-bound, ever-precessing system initiated by Moses/Akhenaten….

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“Ahh, welcome to Fairfield, Nablusos! It’s good to see another
dedicated follower of Maharishi here. Before we give you your Dome
badge, let’s just check your file … Hmmm. It says here you’re a TM
teacher, a representative of Maharishi and his knowledge, yet you’ve
gone on record as recently as last week publically espousing the
spiritual teachings of someone else…. Well, we’re reasonable people
here. Please obtain references from three Governors in good standing,
and sign this paper disavowing all future support of this Benjamin
Creme and his ‘Maitreya’, or…NO DOME FOR YOU!”

:-)

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I am *very* happy with the way Fairfield has been evolving; it feels
more and more free, spontaneous, conscious and loving — as if large
numbers of people are freeing themselves of the fear-filled belief
that they must pretend to be someone they are not in order to realize
the Self. If their further growth entails exploring other avenues of
spiritual inquiry, great! The more the merrier. Fairfield is indeed
enriched by all the new currents of spirituality here.

I have nothing but gratitude for the TMO however; they are doing
their thing, and it’s a very good thing indeed for those who wish to
avail themselves of it. My post was only intended to point out the
irony that Nablusos is apparently advocating the continued monopoly
of an exclusive club that he himself would not be allowed to join :-)

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“The world is as you are” — You Know Who :-)

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…personally, I think *everyone* is “on the same team,” whether
they know it or not. I am just saying that as far as the TMO here in
FF is concerned, if you’re a TM Teacher advocating *any* spiritual
teaching other than MMY’s, you are not welcome in the Dome. And
again, I have no problem with that; they have a perfect right to
operate in any way they please.

…Again, at present *you are not welcome in the Dome* if you are a TM
Teacher publicly advocating any teaching other than MMY’s — whether
you or I think they are “on the same team” or not is not relevant to
the badge-keepers :-)
 
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…Ahh, good! So now perhaps you can see why so many TM-ers have left the TMO — like you, they were drawn to appreciate avenues of spiritual inquiry other than MMY himself, and thus were no longer allowed to attend the Domes.

…I am just pointing out that according to the current stance of the TMO, Benjamin Creme is not MMY, and is not a follower of MMY, ergo he is “other than MMY.”

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They believe they are thinking/seeing in “straight lines,” but
their interior space appears to be automatically curved into pre-set
denial patterns, so that their thoughts automatically “warp off” to
either side to avoid perceiving the self-evident Truth directly in
front of them. :-)

…Of course, by this same token, I have no doubt whatsoever that I have similar “blind spots” or vasana warp-patterns I am as yet unaware of! Thank God we multiplied ourself so we can scratch each others’ backs! Ook, ook! :-)

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I couldn’t care less one way or the other about prosperity fences or what MMY says about them. As I pointed out earlier, I just bought a house in FF with a SOUTH DOOR. The horror! :-)

…On the other hand, if someone with such a fence *does* believe deeply in their properties, I suspect they will warp their reality fields in such a way as to manifest a fulfillment of their beliefs, as we all do with one thing or another :-)

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I first noticed the blind-spot phenomenon when I was attempting
to point out the self-evident and was watching the apparently willful
(but actually unconscious) machinations of the personality in
maintaining ignorance, but I am not particularly basing my current
observation that you (and we all) have blind spots on my
understanding of the self.

I am basing it on the fact that –to borrow a nice term from Barry –
where blind spots are involved, there is no *equanimity*; one is
coming from a place of ungrounded attack. What the critic tends to
miss IMO is that Judy and I are generally *not* defending MMY and the
TMO; we’re just pointing out *that the critic is attacking in an
unbalanced manner*. Again, you, Curtis, have noted that you cut slack
for Thai beliefs — that is, you have equanimity there, more than you
do for TM beliefs. That’s certainly understandable; you used to
identify with TM beliefs; there’s a residue there.

Personally, I’ve noticed that much if not all of my suffering — my
reactive residue — has come from places where I falsely assumed
responsibility for something, identified with something that was
actually not my business. I used to actually feel pain, for example,
when driving through my neighborhood and seeing a downright ugly
house. How could the architect be so stupid as to design such a God-
awful monstrosity, and the home-owner so blind as to choose it, etc.,
etc.? I finally realized *I am not responsible for the classically
aesthetic perfection of my neighborhood* — it is what it is, period.
Same for BushCo and so on. What a relief!

I’d write more, but my wife really wants to go out for brunch *now*
so.. to be continued! :-)

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(OK, that was quite a meal — if anyone should decide to visit
Portland, Maine, I’d recommend Bintliff’s for brunch! All their meals
are works of art, and their raspberry almond pancakes with maple
syrup are quite a treat! :-) )

Anyhow, after I gave up wishing the neighborhood architecture were
different, I became free to appreciate it as it is, and lately I’ve
seen the creator’s intent, the perfect Love, that actually resides
even in an “ugly” house. Now I am still undertaking projects to
beautify the architecture of my hometown, but I’m not coming from a
place of anger and suffering, of denial of the perfection of what is.
It IS perfect, and I’m happy to do my small part to expand the
perfection still more :-)

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Where are you getting that I am calling me enlightened and you
ignorant, Curtis? When I first noticed the blind-spot phenomenon it
was when I was trying to point out the self-evident perfection *to
someone who was not Curtis*. I have since then noticed the blind-spot phenomenon *in myself*. Does this make me ignorant? Well, it means I have blind-spots, as (as far as I can tell) we all do. Period. Overall “enlightenment” or “ignorance” — however we may define them or refuse their meaningfulness — and personally, I have no problem with refusing to make any distinction between “enlightenment” and “ignorance” — *are not the issue here.*

…FWIW I kind of saw Judy as a “logic-piranha” when I first ran into her and she shredded the nice anti-TM arguments I had clothed my resentment with, leaving me bare-boned, but as I saw where she was coming from, and healed the core discontents she revealed, I came to see her beautiful clarity and balance more and more deeply, and now I am in total awe of the divine grace manifesting in Her presence.

…Well, I found that *my* important content was actually just badly-
fitting drapery around a core of discontent. YMMV, of course.

…how on earth could we ever *know* whether what you say is true or not, except for each of us individually, in this moment, as a personal truth? What I am hearing as a subtext is, “I, Curtis, know better than MMY does about my own state(s) of consciousness.” And personally, I, Rory, say — good for you! That’s what self-reference (i.e. “Brahman”) is all about! But the whole “misapplied an ancient framework … that we understand better through modern psychology…” As Borat would say, “Not so much” — that part just feels like a socially-acceptable (but unprovable) way to say what I think (and hope) I *hear* you really saying above.

…*lol* I can see how this would not be fun — but my point is not that
you are wrong, it is that you are making baseless — i.e. seemingly
logical but actually logically unprovable — attacks, or criticisms,
if you prefer: Sweeping generalizations that hold no water, but are
actually (I hope and believe) masking or clothing some very real
feelings underneath. (Otherwise, you’re just wasting yours and
everyone’s time, and I don’t really think that’s possible.) I am not
trying to discount your arguments by saying there’s an emotional core
underneath; I am discounting your arguments as too sweeping and
asking you to look at the feeling-level motivation behind them.
There’s really good stuff there, inside the blind-spot.

…I have already told you that this is essentially true; I am responding to you, “creating” you, *on the basis of my memory* and of my own blind-spots. I do not consider this to be a “poopy-pants” statement, because I do not consider it to be an insult to state that my so-called logical statements repose upon subtler feelings. I *have* found that as my understanding of my own subtle underlying feelings clarifies, then my thinking also clarifies. Again, YMMV.

…Yes, you do think [MMY] is wrong, and that you know better, and I am absolutely certain that you are right; that that is true. Our conceptual understanding/framework of what MMY has said is absolutely false. There’s a simpler truth you have been articulating, where “enlightenment” and “ignorance” are utterly irrelevant, and “spiritual experience” itself is irrelevant, and your own self knows your own self best, and so on. These are some of the keynotes of “Brahman,” which he also has talked about, as much as one can talk about the utterly indescribable :-)

…Perhaps you are less emotionally-tinted than I; my whole world
shattered into grief and rage when — despite the wowzer experiences
MMY was showing me on the Science and Veda course — I realized I had all along been following a false Messiah; that he was no “higher” than I! :-) For me this was a huge piece of the puzzle — not the *whole* puzzle, but a *huge* piece of it.

…Yes. I hear you — I used to be plagued by TMO true-believers after I
left the TMO, until I cleared the residues of my own TM doubts. For
years afterward I was still plagued by other evangelical
fundamentalists, until I cleared most of my “inner fundamentalist.”
My world is definitely as I am! (YMMV, of course.)

…And I with you. FWIW, to me you are showing many of the earmarks
of “Brahman” — but I really couldn’t care less, and I suspect you
probably couldn’t either. Great joke, isn’t it?!

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…I am not asking you to cut MMY and his ideas any more slack than you would cut anyone else; do you think *I* do?
I’ve already pointed many areas in which I overtly do *not* currently
give those ideas much credence: TM program, Stapathya Veda, Ayurveda, Jyotish. The only aspect I *do* currently give much credence to, is Self as Being, and that’s an experiential thing, not an idea per se.

I am only pointing out, as I did in my email response to you (which
you apparently failed to grasp), that you actually do not show
equanimity here; you are *not* treating him as you would “an ordinary
truck driver,” for you are *still criticising him after 30 years*! I
am not defending MMY here — those are *not our only two choices* –
attack him or defend him. There is a third choice, where he simply
doesn’t matter to us, is not something that riles us up enough to
criticise. For some reason, you still find him irritating enough to
write about, in pretty much the same words, over and over and over
again. What is the seed of your discontent?

…Attack, criticism, call it what you will — a surprisingly large
expenditure of energy for a guy who claims to have left MMY and the
movement 30 years ago, don’t you think? It looks to me as if he is
still very much on your back; very much “special” to you.

…Then why spend 30 years fighting them? That’s all I’m asking. I am
not defending them; I find them as indefensible as your criticisms :-)

…To me it is *not* a personal issue of “MMY deserving our respect.” God knows, I have criticised him and his ideas *plenty* in my day. I’m just saying you appear to be very hung up on MMY, that’s all.

…I have never implied that “balance includes giving MMY or his ideas
deference.” Balance means giving statements that manifest personal
integrity, as opposed to giving wildly sweeping inaccuracies which
are unsupportable or easily picked apart. A relatively unbalanced
example might be my saying something like “MMY’s stapathya veda is
rampant foolishness designed only to rake in yet more money from his
easily-gulled followers,” as opposed to a more balanced “I have
walked through and felt out a stapathya-veda house or two and –
aside from the typical new-house spaciousness — perceived nothing
particularly special about them. I personally prefer a good Victorian
house, south door and all, which shows a quality of material and
craftsmanship essentially unmatchable today, and is far more
affordable,” — which latter is actually my current experience and
stance, subject of course, and always, to change.

Attack and deference are not our only two choices. There is a third –
  integrity, equanimity.

As for the rest, I’ll just reiterate that I am not saying you guys
are “damaged” — just that you and Vaj (Curtis less so) seem self-
condemned to repeat yourselves over and over, making broad, sweeping (and easily disputed) statements without ever getting to your personal integrity, to your undisputable personal experience, and to the core of your discontent, where IME great treasure lies.

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Yes, I feel the same way. It’s been a great pleasure; these
conversations with you and with Barry have made me look more closely at a lot of things, particularly the issue of balance and integrity. On further reflection, I see that from another angle I am yet again advocating the inward movement of transcendence,  — pulling back from our projected discontents “out there” to their inward core “in here;” i/o/w moving from victimization and addiction to empowerment and sobriety. One of my favorite modern psychologist/therapists, by the way, is one that Tom T. introduced me to — Anne Wilson Schaef. Her books, “When Society Becomes an Addict” and especially “Escape From Intimacy: The Pseudo-Relationship Addictions – Untangling the “Love” Addictions, Sex, Romance, Relationships,” beautifully unfolded the dynamics of Brahman as sobriety, without ever mentioning Brahman :-)

Happy Independence Day!

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How about a wrathful-deity Dharmapala? Not all Bodhisattvas are sugary sweet, you know.

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It [ :-) ] was actually your original face (before your parents were born?), but here’s another one, specially from me :-)

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…I already tried to do you a favor, to show you how to “fight fair” and make statements with personal integrity, and thus to avoid making an ass of youself. I’ve already said that I don’t have Judy’s patience or her tolerance for abuse, and I’m not going to go rummaging through the archives to bolster an obvious point, all the while ignoring your abuse — calling my attempts to help “cowardly” and “schoolyard bullying,” etc. To put it bluntly, I love you, but you’re thinking and talking like a drunk, and I just don’t have the time to waste arguing with a drunk. I’ve already shown you the difference between a relatively balanced and an unbalanced statement. If that’s not good enough for you, so be it.

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HA! No smiley face for you!

Just kidding :-)

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…I’ve apparently given you more of my attention than you merit already.

:-)

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…I have no problem with Geezer’s portraying me as a high-handed, arrogant megalomaniac; I doubtless possess those qualities in abundance. :-)

I’m actually rather glad he brought up my old site –  when I first
joined FFL, everyone had a chance to read it (if they wished) and
uunderstand better where I was coming from. It is many years out of
date now, however, and over the years (even before joining FFL) I’ve
occasionally considered removing it, as I’ve come to value simplicity
and ordinariness more and more, but each time someone has written me to thank me for writing it, so with some ambivalence I have let it stand. It is in essence a letter to some of my past selves, some of whom would have *loved* to read it! Perhaps someday I’ll update it to reflect more of my current thinking … or perhaps not. :-)

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Comment from geezerfreak: And here’s Rory riffing on his own name:

 ”My name embraces primarily the Red, but also the Yellow and the
Violet Rays.
 
In my own Taurus-Equinox system, my natal Sun is in the Sun’s own (yellow) duodecile within (Mars’s) Aries — the Red:Yellow Solar Angel of the Lion, for which Rory itself is a valid mantra — while Mars is in Mars’s own (red) duodecile of Aquarius, the Violet Smith and Grail-bearer. And indeed, Goff means not only “the Red” (from Welsh Goch), but also (as Welsh Gof) means “the Smith;” Gofannon is the Celtic Smith-God who brews the Ale of Immortality and serves it to the other Gods.
The Smith is the Lord of the Violet Ray of Alchemy: the Aquarian Ray overseeing the next 2,160 years, earth’s Aquarian Age.
The Violet Smith sires his complementary opposite, the Yellow (Solar) Creator, as darkest lead is alchemically transmuted to brightest gold.

 The Oxford English Dictionary tells us that Rory also means (or once meant) “dewy,” from the Latin ros, roris, meaning “dew, moisture, water, teardrop.” Dew is traditionally the most sacred of fluids, symbolizing the light of dawn, spiritual refreshment, blessing, illumination, resurrection, and — as amrit or ambrosia — immortality. This dew of Solar Enlightenment and Immortality is identical to the Ale of Immortality brewed by Gofannon the Smith (father of the Solar Creator); does dew also relate to Mars or Rudra? Yes! As Mars/Rudra governs the two hours before dawn when the dew falls, we can say that dewdrops are the tears of Rudra. Rudra’s tears are well-known in Vedic mythology. The Utrasum Bead Tree (Elaiocarpus Ganitrus Roxb.)
yields beads known as Rudraksha or “Rudra’s tears” which are particularly sacred and powerful when blessed and worn as a rosary by a devotee of Rudra/Shiva, the Lord of Transcendence. It is my earnest desire that these papers illuminate, inspire, and rejuvenate you as the sacred dew! I hope and pray that the Rorian Tradition will serve you as a rosary of Rudraksha beads, heightening your blissful enjoyment of your holy immortality, and deepening your understanding that you walk this earth as divinity incarnate.

 Finally, Rory also means “noisy and boisterous,” as well as “loud
or gaudy in color.” My relatives will gladly testify to my embodiment of the former traits since early childhood; it is not for nothing that Rudra means the Roarer or the Howler! Traditionally, the Red Ray of the Will expresses the Atmic Plane of Blissful Vibration, Magical Laughter or “Noise;” see the last two charts in The Days of the Week, their Planets, and the Chakras. And as for loud or gaudy colors? Since gaudy comes from the Latin meaning “joyful,” I will gladly accept these traits as well — the dew joyously catches the Sun and flashes the pure colors of the spectrum more brightly than any jewel; our blissful Body of Immortality is truly a Rainbow Body!”

[Comment on geezerfreak: Clearly, he has transceded his own ego. Way to go Rory!]

Thank you, Geezer! I certainly couldn’t have written that when I was
in ignorance — I was way too shy! Freedom is a lot of fun to play
with; we don’t generally feel the need to poke fun at others any more
in order to feel good about ourselves :-)
 
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…Ohh! He never took the siddhis course!  Many thanks, Jim, I’m thinking that may clarify some things. My apologies, Barry; I suspect I have been overly hard on you. Did Vaj perchance miss them too?

Suddenly a number of puzzling anomalies may be coming into much clearer focus. I think I’ve been sitting in the wrong class! :-)

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[Comment on starting his own religion]

What for? Does the world need yet another religion? I’ve always found them to be rather constricting, personally, when we start taking poetry for Gospel :-)

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That’s very aptly put, Jim; I *do* see the “Rorian Tradition” as being
a rather complex work of art I created, a self-portrait in essence. As
such, I didn’t expect or desire it to appeal to everyone, though it’s
always nice to be appreciated by a thoughtful critic :-)

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It’s out of date in that I haven’t added much to it since 1997, and my
autobiography stops at 1990.

In general I now value simplicity and ordinariness more than I do the
complex and celestial, so I haven’t been moved to add much to either
the papers or my autobiography (though it might be fun someday to bring it up to our move to Iowa and the IA course).

I regard the “Rorian Tradition” as a complex work of art that was a
*lot* of fun to create, and I hope others enjoy it and are inspired by
it as I was, but that’s it.
 
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…I’m saying that it is a work of art that I found enjoyable, stimulating, and inspiring to play with when I conceived it.

…The Initiations were essentially automatic; as I described in the
autobiography, they seemed to align very closely with Saturn’s
transits. They do not particularly interest me at this time; that
model is an old work of art; my current focus is elsewhere.

…That model is an old work of art; my current interests lie elsewhere :-)

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Actually, I have no opinion on whether these [past lives] are “mine” or not, or anymore “mine” than anything else — I feel in essence that all
memories, all personality-forms, are available to anyone, and if appropriate we can access them for greater understanding and healing of whatever we are working on at the moment :-)

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As Geezer has reminded me, 30 years approximates one complete cycle of Saturn, or IIRC one full span of ascending and descending Initiations in the old “Rorian Tradition”  (and which, according to my old “Rules of the Game,” are ongoing whether we choose to consciously appreciate them and learn from them or not).

Coincidence? Probably! But then, what isn’t? :-)

It’s good to be back in Fairfield, however briefly!

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[Comment on re-reading explaination of ascending/descending initiations]

I really wouldn’t bother, if I were me. It’s just another game :-)

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Under the right conditions levitation, dematerialization, etc. IME are possible, and have been experienced by a number of us simultaneously. IME it wasn’t astral or subtle-body projection, and it felt quite physical and real. On what level(s) of reality it took place I couldn’t tell you, but its effect was to fuse previously-differentiated understandings of matter and spirit into ONE. As Barry says, this kind of experience is viceral and *intense* and IME took many years to fully assimilate.

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I don’t know, Richard; maybe you didn’t read my autobiography
thoroughly enough, or I wasn’t clear enough in my account. Either
way, here it was: http://artesmagicae.com/auto6d.htm

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*lol* If you are willing to concede that the entire physical reality
is on the suggestion, then, yes, absolutely :-)

…I couldn’t tell you what Maharishi’s “bum hopping” accomplishes, as I
really don’t know how to ascribe cause and effect in this instance,
or even in my life as a whole :-)

…People are *expert* at maintaining their own blind-spots and realities, that much I do know :-)

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http://www.firethegrid.com/eng/home-fr-eng.htm

MANY thanks, Robert, for providing this link! This woman is simple and
brilliant; I highly recommend watching this :-)

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I was actually referring to more of her [Shelley Yates] message than the simple one-time “fire the grid” event though. I sat up and took
notice because I saw her site right after thinking deeply about our “ascension,” and about Steven Greer’s message re consciously
contacting our ET-Selves and raising our vibration, etc., and noticed this was essentially her experience and message, very powerfully put. I especially liked the guidance she got from the divine (my term, not hers) on consciously walking Earth as a spiritual being:

1) Do no harm, beginning with yourself;
2) Do everything that you do with honesty and integrity;
3) Find your human joy and be thankful for the opportunity.

Words to live by!

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…The funny thing is, stranger and lovelier things than that [levitation; stopping heart] are happening all around us and within us even now, to see and to be, if we merely take the time to open up to them by raising our vibratory level with gratitude and appreciation … :-)

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Point of clarification… — I never met Frederick Lenz and have
no opinion on whether or how he levitated etc.

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http://groups.yahoo.com/group/FairfieldLife/message/143425

If I have still been unclear, I restate: in my autobiography I wrote
about our personal experiences of levitation, dematerialization etc.;
I have never met Frederick Lenz or any of his students, and so hold
no opinion specifically on Frederick Lenz’s experiences or on those
witnessing his experiences :-)

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Greetings, Billy Jim! No, not particularly representative, as to the
bickering and so on — there is so much Heart now in FF, which has
really flowered into overflowing Love & Laughter over these past few
years — a true Siddhapura. I feel *incredibly* blessed to be here
among so many wise and wonderful radiant beings at this point in time.

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(The opinions given above are only my perceptions of the people I
have met here, and are not meant to represent their perceptions, let
alone the perceptions of those I haven’t met here. Still, there
appears to be a general consensus that FF has warmed up into much
more love and tolerance over this last decade, between “townies”
and “rus” as well as among the various factions of “rus”. I and
others are noticing much more respect for each each others’ paths,
much more warmth — many attribute this to the visits of the Mother
Saints. I have no opinion on the probable cause(s)…)

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Yes, empty!  I completely share your newfound deep respect for those
original teachings of TM. For many years after “Awakening” part of me
was subtly kicking myself for having spent so many years using a path
to ignore the Self-evident Indescribable, even though it had
obviously all been perfect, but over the last 3-4 years I’ve come to
see what a phenomenal complacency and self-sufficient arrogance I
have imbibed with “Brahman” — and that *all* the unfoldments since
then have been simple continuations of those same original teachings
of transcendence (TM) and manifestation (sidhis), all the inevitable
flow of grace of the Self to the Self.

On the basis of knowing them as my Self, my appreciation of MMY and
Guru Dev are finally perhaps approaching some infinitesimal part of
the infinite devotion they have always deserved. It so much fun being
the particle, the creature, the student, for from here we can really
appreciate the divine unboundedness of our simple ordinary self, the
creator, the guru!

:-)

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…on our travels lately all over the U.S., Canada, and the U.K. we have been finding exactly the same thing [love, no stress, etc.]. The difference seems to be that I’m finding the qualities are considerably more “concentrated” or “alive” in Fairfield; more people seem to be more consciously participating in more intensities of the love and joy :-)

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…I am well aware there are many on Earth who are suffering, and suffering intensely. On the physical plane, I signed petitions, did my best to wake people up to the manipulations around
9/11, and demonstrated against the war in Iraq, as I’m sure you did too. On the spiritual plane, it is all bliss. I just got my finger nearly bitten off by our dog. The wound was a gift for which I am
immensely grateful, it is all very very good, and was a great joy connecting with the people in the emergency room, doctors, etc.. Not in the same ballpark as losing one’s legs, of course, but you get my drift. It will be even nicer when more people are consciously aware of this utter bliss in every “thing” … I am glad you’re doing your part.

:-)

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…it’s all about our framing. As I said to the doctor, who was wondering why I was so happy as he was scrubbing the wound, “It’s just another *thing*; it’s really all only the radiant self, which we put different labels on and react accordingly…..if we don’t like our labels, why not change them?” He closed his eyes, went into stillness and said, “Done!” A very cool dude :-)

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…Let me make a prediction:

Whatever he says will bother you :-)

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…Let me make a further prediction:

Whatever he says will bother you, *and* that you will deny being
bothered, masking your pain as “humor” :-) (Hope I’m wrong though)

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…That is why I hope I’m wrong: Because I know I’m talking to
one of my own particles, and though I have done so in the past (when
I didn’t understand my own simple nature as well as I do now), in
this moment I’m not laughing at it; I feel its pain, infinitesimal as
it is, as it thrashes around denying our emptiful nature, misunderstanding it and thinking that because I sustain uncountable trillions of particles, that I cannot care about each one of Us.

What we failed to remember and take into account was that most of our uncountable trillions did not experiment with forgetfulness, rebellion, and separation (or if we remembered, it only added to our guilt and rage and sense of separation) — but they consciously maintained the harmony of the primordial song, to ground and heal and remind the rest of us who chose the path of temporary blindness/deafness, when the time came to remember this was a dream, and to return home enriched and enriching with our new understandings and experiences and stories of self.

That’s when we see that it is and always has been Perfect :-)

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…and of course, I can hear you saying, “But that too is just
another story!” To which I will reply, “And so is that!” And so on…

The bottom line is, I love you — always have, always will :-)

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YES — I greatly enjoyed Robinson’s book, as well as everything
Frances Yates wrote — including, also, Theatre of the World,
Shakespeare’s Last Plays: A New Approach, and Giordano Bruno and the Hermetic Tradition.

Haven’t read Stevenson yet; thanks for the recommendation :-)

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Sometime after building my “immortal body” with all its magical
correspondences, I read Yates’ Art of Memory and noticed some
interesting resonances between those old systems and my own — which was indeed a system of memory/creation — as well as my “Initiations” and those of Freemasonry. I am looking forward to reading Stevenson!

My apologies to all for posting more than 5 times/day lately; I’m going
to be away from the computer for the next few days, so it should all
even out :-)

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Enlightenment consists first of isolating the Purusha, and from this
place of invincibility, fully embracing Prakriti as yet another
manifestation of the radiant Self :-)

…Enlightenment finds its culmination in the realization that samsara
is also not other than the perfect Self, as the two are now finally
understood to be one in an all-consuming blaze of divine Love.

[Comment on:...being 'one' with a 'hideous duality']

It’s only hideous when it’s separate. Embracing the ‘demonic’ reveals
it to be divine — to be be an infinitely fuller, richer, sweeter,
lovelier manifestation of the radiant self, the ‘missing half’ so to
speak :-)

…we realize that “Absolute” and “Relative” are artificial distinctions, temporary reductions of something infinitely greater than either or both :-)

…I suspect one who knows where to look can find it [unification] anywhere and everywhere :-)

…maybe truth is different in different states of consciousness….? :-)

…*lol* By me, Y*E*S. But it is attained *through* whole-heartedly embracing what is here and now, seeing it to be what IS.
 
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…I was specifically referring to a moment when the Purusha is fully
isolated, and at this moment by contrast the entire creation, all of
Prakriti, appears to be “demonic” — i.e., not-Self, a dark-matter “prison” of  hideous horror — and it is at this moment that one’s old training in embracing and transmuting the demonic comes to the fore, giving us the courage to embrace this too. And at this moment, all the old fairy tales hint at the truth — embracing the hideous hell-hag transmutes her into the most radiant beauty, and as divine Goddess She offers us Her Sovereignty; the entire Creation becomes our body in a mergence of infinite Love.

And as the Giant might say, HA, HOU, HUM! (*A*U*M*)

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…And I was referring to when the universe, as a whole,
ultimately dissolves into or merges with the fire of infinite Love
into the deep self — call that Shiva, Guru Dev, MMY, Ramana
Maharshi, “Me”, or whoever — all the same Self, and taking place
moment by moment, if and when we are ready to accept it and be cremated into it :-)

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Why do you assume we lose Knowledge? What reversion back into
ignorance are you sepaking of? From here, all I see is more and more
knowledge being gained, continually. Sometimes as particles we take
our focus off of certain dimensions to explore others more fully, but
that hardly qualifies as ignorance, does it?

:-)

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Adolf Hitler, like every other particle, gathered a great deal of
knowledge for Us, for which we’re grateful …. in this case, what happens when certain energies of fear, hatred, separation and scapegoating are invoked on a massive scale; what happens when one starts to believe one’s own press, and so on. In some ways, like his modern-day political imitators, he already *was* unconscious, even while on earth. Nonetheless he (and they) have gathered a great deal of knowledge for Us. Everything, even “ignorance”, yields us ever more knowledge :-)

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FWIW I still support my original premise: If we criticise another
(particularly if the other isn’t even present, and we’re criticising
them to a 3rd party), we generally *are* coming from a place of pain
(hurt/anger), whether or not we are consciously aware of it at that
moment. This is because we are “shoulding” all over them :-) –
expecting them to be other than they are, and judging them for not
living up to our expectations of what they “should” be or do. All of
this stems from the core belief and illusion that what we are
criticising is outside of ourself — a position that is fraught with
addictive pain. Practicing a little Byron-Katiesque Inquiry will soon
sober us up and show us otherwise :-)

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*lol* Do what you want, of course — I don’t expect you to do
otherwise! What you choose to do is entirely your business; I am
enjoying you and your life just as it is.

And if I occasionally feel like clarifying a point and maybe in the
process offering a loving hand to some particles of myself who are
still suffering under the painful delusion that they are separate,
alone and unloved, that’s my business and also just as it is :-)

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Has that been your experience with her Inquiry? [Byron Katie as Neo-Advaitin] It certainly hasn’t been mine. :-)

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I am recommending that one be aware of where the criticism is coming
from — that one place attention on the core expectations behind the
criticisms, and thereby to discover the illusory and projective
nature of one’s thinking, and of one’s pain. The result IME is
generally a tremendous expansion of heart, of compassion, of
consciousness as we reabsorb that “demonic” which we had projected
outside ourselves and condemned.

…the desire is to be free from pain, and this is one technique to
unravel pain’s illusory slipknot.

…the end result IME is most certainly not merely intellectual. I live a visceral life, and would not be satisfied with nor recommend mere intellectual masturbation :-)

…it’s a realization one is in pain (or in my terms, projecting
monsters “out there”), and a decent method to see through and embrace the illusion — to meet and conquer the challenge offered by that particular “bardo demon”.

…It’s a recognition of pain, and an Inquiry to heal it. The technique
is a great deal like transcendence itself, as it allows us to reverse
the process of manifestation/projection by tracing the thoughts
consciously inward to their source, recognizing their fallacies, and
remembering the truth — in a deeply satisfyingly visceral, sensory
way.

…it merely provides a tool for recognizing and piercing the source of our pain.

OTOH my current understanding of moodmaking is in no way
condemnatory, as all the states of consciousness look much like moods
to me. From where I stand, we have a choice as to our primary “mood”
or “frequency,” which colors what interpretations we wish to ascribe
to the myriads of incoming data, and this choice in turn actually
determines which of the data we imbibe and manifest through our
various levels of bodymind and thence into our environment. I do
realize for many of us however that this initial choice
of “frequency” is as yet unconscious.

…It’s not a question of “trying not to be judgmental;” it’s a question
of destroying one’s pain.

…Then you are reading me wrong, as appears often to be the case. I see no problem with Self kicking Self in the nuts if that is what is required. :-)

…Try it and see for yourself, or keep on spinning rationalizations why
Not to try it, it makes no difference to me. I’m still gonna kick you in the nuts every time I see you on crack waving a pistol around — metaphorically speaking of course :-)

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…Whether an asshole actually exists or not is impossible for me to say.
I am rejecting that my suffering has an external reality, yes. If that makes me somehow “falling into polarities,” then so be it :-)

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…Yes! I LOVE the mirror-like quality of FFL, like Life cubed, as Self reflects Self to Self….next it’ll be *my* turn to use the infinite-recursion argument!

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…Right, you didn’t offer me that marvelous image to play with — but
you *did* (in my reality anyhow) offer me your pain, which was all I really wanted. To whatever degree You and I are separate, my heartfelt thanks to You :-)

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…I generally attempt to take responsibility for my perceptions *of* the other, without ascribing specific attributes *to* the other (though sometimes I fail of course), as it’s usually evident that my perceptions of the other are simply the qualities of myself I choose to see in this moment.

This is *not* to say however that my perceptions aren’t also “true” –
  or at least shared by others, which may be our basic criterion of
objective as opposed to subjective reality. However, as I mentioned
to Steve, I really can’t say if an “asshole” has any real existence –
  the only reality I am prepared to affirm whole-heartedly is the self-evident, radiant indescribable one, as that one keeps appearing when the other perceptions un-slip-knot themselves. There is then no separation.

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a) I have continually held that inquiry is not a substitute for
activity or inactivity, it is merely a way to unravel one’s
suffering. Hard as it may be to believe, one will still perform
correct action even if one is not suffering! :-)

b) I did not realize anything through neo-advaita; I woke up on my
own after 9 years of TM (and the grace of a few teachers and non-
teachers presenting the mahavakyas at precisely the right moment),
realizing that all the states of consciousness I had perceived
through TM were transient, bound by space-time, and I didn’t even
want them or any other external criteria; I now wholeheartedly
desired, and was willing to surrender into, only perfection Now.
That’s when I hit bottom and turned inside out as Self realized that
Self and only Self has always been all there is, here and now :-)

c) Some 23 years later I read Byron Katie and saw her genius in
providing a dirt-simple technique to allow *all* the mind’s old
programs, all our old particles, to catch up with and surrender into
the Self. If I could change anything, I would give myself Byron
Katie’s technique 23 years earlier :-)

d) I have neither paid for nor charged for any courses, healing, etc.
for over a decade. Money is lovely and abundant, as freely enjoyable
as oxygen :-)

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…In no way am I “far beyond” you, trin — you have maturity,
clarity, depth, wisdom and experience I can never hope to equal, and
that’s just fine by me. I’m only sorry I haven’t expressed my awe and
appreciation of you sufficiently before; I guess I thought you knew :-)

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In some cases, I think these qualities [oddness] may have represented “bardo-demons” that some of these people were wrestling with, for awhile. In the deeper sense, yes, these are mostly qualities of the universal self that the personality may have had a hard time accepting nonjudgmentally.

…and even when through whatever technique or grace we see through the filters, we still see the self — albeit now in its innocence as That: self-evident, predominantly radiant, blissful, love itself, etc.

…and really to me it’s all essentially irrelevant *except* as a
means to self-diagnose and unravel one’s own suffering. And that
approach itself is apparently not going to be particularly meaningful
to all people at all times in their lives :-)

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It’s *always* fair, if someone is antagonistically criticising me,
whether or not I immediately recognize it, for surely somewhere
in “me” are the qualities they complain of. Conversely, it’s always
(in the deepest sense) unfair, if I’m antagonistically criticising
another, as again, the root-cause of my discontent is always in “me” :-)

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Actually, Curtis, I do not generally place you in any category of
seriously “resisting me/self/enlightenment” as I don’t generally feel
any heavy resistance from you — I almost always find you to be very
open, thoughtful, and heartfilled — all anyone could ask, and more.

Moreover, a small degree of resistance itself is often stimulating,
the grain of sand that grows the pearl. That’s why I find myself
often preferring FFL to other more homogeneous spiritual groups — a
bit of challenge is fun — vive la difference! :-)

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Basically, as I understand it, one does “the work” on oneself in areas
in which one feels pain or suffering, as these are signs of incorrect
thinking or thinking “not in alignment with nature;” there is no need
to examine ideas that don’t hurt :-)

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I’d say it’s [enlightenment] not even an “experience” in the conventional meaning; more an Understanding that finally frees one
from bondage to all experience — hence, not really something that can fade away or get lost, like the glimpses of higher states we used to value so :-)

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I’d suggest these [broad philosophical questions] are essentially a waste of time *unless* they’re areas you’re personally feeling particular pain and suffering in. I would (if asked) further suggest working first on the areas in which I feel the *most* suffering, in this moment, if any

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…I said, “essentially a waste of time *unless* they’re areas you’re
personally feeling particular pain and suffering in,” the object
being to realize one’s eternal liberation from bondage and suffering.
If you’re not interested in liberation from suffering in this moment,
of course, then feel free to inquire about whatever floats your boat,
but it would be a mistake to equate that with “the work” :-)

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Yes, no doubt the Buddha was mistaken — after all, he didn’t know
you — if he did, he would doubtless agree with you that doing TM and
then strolling around the mall and  seeing “Transformers” is better
for you in this moment.  :-)

Actually, I’m quite serious about this: I am certainly not going to
try to push “the work” or anything else down your throat! It’s your
life, until it isn’t :-)

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[broad philosophical questions are a waste of time] For anyone actually seeking to unravel their suffering :-)

…I’ve generally seen it applied to one’s areas of suffering, which to me makes a lot of sense. YMMV.

…Doesn’t it [diversity] already have trillions upon trillions [heads]? Or is that just McDonald’s?

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www.thework.com

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It’s my understanding of “the work” based on my reading and working
with her first book, on watching her practice it on video, and on my
own practice. I’ve seen and found the inquiry to be highly effective
on working with some actual portion of ourselves which is actually
suffering in this moment, is actually believing it “should” be
different than it is in this moment, and for me that’s what it’s all
about — liberating those particles of myself who haven’t yet
realized I AM THAT, YOU ARE THAT, ALL THIS IS THAT and THAT IS ALL
THERE IS. It’s all about tending to any particles of ourselves who are “shoulding” in this moment.

For example, in thinking about our discussion earlier this morning, I
notice there is a particle of me in discomfort, and on listening I
hear a very tiny thought, “He should listen to me.” Now *I* know full
well that this is ridiculous, of course, but the *particle* doesn’t
know that in this moment; the particle is suffering from an old
program. So I pay attention to the particle, engage the particle in
the work, and don’t quit until that particle remembers its original
bliss, its original freedom. And since my consciousness is constantly
collapsing into these particles, and manifesting my physical reality
through these particles, now *I* am bathed in bliss, in utter
freedom, and my physical world has regained its paradaisical state of
radiant Being. It’s all about “teaching the devas” :-)

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[feeling of discomfort] reveals a particle which I hadn’t noticed before :-)

…Which *it* perceives as suffering :-)

…[do "the work"] until *it* knows it is free, knows its nature as tangible bliss

…and thereby manifests my sensorium as radiant being/love/bliss

…No doubt :-) But then, you still think enlightenment is an experience — not that you care about enlightenment, of course — and
that we think we are great for realizing it’s not, although we’re
probably just moodmaking anyway, and that we expect you to worship us
and take our word for it. Did I get that right? :-)

*L*L*L*

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…Wok on, Jimmie Dean!

:-)

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*I* am “free of stress and beyond such things” as you term it,
because *I* do not exist as such, I am merely the indefinable,
ungraspable Self, but  not all of “my” bodymind know that it is free
(though by far the majority do, or do know they are freely
participating in my harmony) — portions still believe in spacetime,
separation, and so on. Call it leshavidya if you like; basically it’s
simply those beings in my universe who still believe they’re
suffering.

…I’m an Evangelist; I like to spread the Good News; it tickles; as Self-pleasuring it’s my form of masturbation :-)

[Comment on:...Why is "It" not enlightened if you are?]
It was running on old beliefs or old memory; spacetime being what is,
the progressive dissolution into Now actually unfolds in its own good
time among my particles :-)

[Comment on:...particles in "freedom" and "tangible bliss"]
It’s the way they’ve always been, once we realize we’re superimposing illusions on them, and relax :-)

…I only know that for me, physical pain is becoming more and more obviously both negligible on the one hand, and on the other, actual physical bliss, as I relax more and more into Being the simple and natural frequencies of gratitude, compassion, love, release, etc., and more and more of my body becomes “eaten” by and transmuted into passionate Love and Light and Bliss :-)

…I perceive it *is*. The other [perceiving what should be] is more and more obviously an infinitesimal illusion, but one which it behooves us to attend to and unravel … what else have we got to do? :-)

[Comment on:...why change the way the "particles" feel?]

Because I love them/me, and I don’t like to see/feel anyone suffering
needlessly, when it’s so simple to show them how to unravel, relax,
and remind Us of our true nature :-)

…The one thing about my Awakening was, although ocurring in spacetime, it is clearly beyond it; it is Self-evident, eternal, fundamental, and intensely, sensorily paradoxical — ordinary and special; concrete and transcendental, spirit and matter, lively and still, inner and outer, evident and not-evident: *no story fits; no story captures THAT* — *I* can’t capture THAT; I can only *be* THAT — all and none of the above: the Self appreciating THAT as Itself, as all that is, and absolute emptifulness — the only “experience” that is non-experience, instantly removing all my seeker’s doubt by its very nature or non-nature, by its very liberating spiritual-physical totality as Self-recognition.

No experience I had had of C.C., G.C., or U.C. — rich and fulfilling
as they were — could ever remove all doubt, could ever be “final,”
could ever be this, as they were ephemeral, and bound by specific
criteria. This Awakening realizes itself by understanding *it is not
bound by criteria* — and thus is eternal, unbound by spacetime
itself. As long as we are holding siddhis, or witnessing, or
*anything* up as a yardstick to measure our Awakening, we will remain unAwake. “Loving what IS” awakens Us, opens our Heart and guts enough to envelop creation, to see Ourself.

*After* Awakening, it is quite natural to spontaneously stretch our
wings, to see how Nature clings to our desires (or how our desires
are Nature’s) and how quickly she miraculously fulfills them. But to
use these “siddhis” as a yardstick to measure our actual Awakening –
no. Puts the cart before the horse, enables us to remain in bondage
:-)

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I might be even more fun if you also admit that *I* am also an infitesimal particle of You; it works both ways :-)

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[Comment on:...Everything reflects everything else]

YES YES YES!

I LOVE YOU! :-) :-) :-)

And also … because Wholeness is continually collapsing into
point(s), It gets to experience the *effect* (as a point) of its own
*cause* (as Wholeness), and the *divinity* (from the viewpoint of the
point, looking at Wholeness) of its own *humanity* (from the
viewpoint of Wholeness, looking at point), und so weiter! :-)

*L*L*L*

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Again, I am not a Neo-Advaitin, or a Buddhist, or a Christian, or a
Hindu, or a Wiccan, though there are elements of all of these that I
have found to be helpful in self-discovery and self-description.  In
working with my particles, I am enlightening every Being in my
universe, as I suspect the so-called “Neo-Advaitin” BK is also doing.

FWIW my Universe — my bodymind — happily and miraculously supports and fulfills my every desire, generally almost before I realize I have the desire. I like BK’s stuff, but I did not Awaken with it (though many of my particles have); when I Awakened, THAT which Awoke named itself Brahman, and Buddha, and the Crucifixion, for THAT was the death of the Witness into the great immensity.

As “Brahman” I am the “Cosmic Consciousness” of my particles, and when Brahman discovers its ability to collapse into and relate with its particles, it enlivens “Krishna/Karttikeya” and then I am the “God Consciousness” or “Avatar” of my particles. When Wholeness discovers that I can “eat” my particles in the all-consuming fire of blissful love, it enlivens “Shiva/Vishnu” and then I am the “Unity Consciousness” of my particles.

All a story or a map of course, but as True as I can speak it in this
moment :-)

I LOVE the image of Indra’s Net, for its infinitely harmonious and self-
reflecting nature nicely captures the Being/Love aspects of Indra, whom we consider to be the original Vishnu. As we consider Rudra to be the original Shiva, our Sanskrit name would probably be “Indraprem Brahmajyoti Rudraananda” — “the Being/Love of Indra (Vishnu), the Consciousness/Light of Brahma(n), the Bliss/Laughter of Rudra (Shiva),” this making up the whole of the Hiranyagarbha or Sat-chit-ananda torus.
Or, for short,

*L*L*L*

or, traditionally, *A*U*M*

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[Comment on:...Bindu: Pinnacle of the Three Streams]

It certainly bears a lot of resemblance anyhow to what I’ve been calling the “particle,” into which wholeness collapses, and which in turn we “eat” and, as the particle, are “eaten” :-)

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It appears you are using “special” in a different sense than I have
been. Those guys *all* sound special to me, but then I think it’s
pretty obvious everybody and everything is special if you give them
half a chance. And by the same token, everybody and everything is
also utterly ordinary. The kind of “special” Mr. Crumb appears to be,
to certain fans, I wouldn’t wish on anyone — but of course, that too is perfect :-)

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…I have found as long as “I” am claiming C.C., G.C., or U.C.,
and “Brahman” has not yet claimed “me,” I am not fully liberated, and
am still attached or bound to experience.

Along these same lines, when you were asking about how we fall into
ignorance, I find that consciousness *constantly* collapses into the
particle, to experience the effect of our causative and innocent
thought as a created being, to enter into the world of our own
making. If the consciousness *believes* the particle-experience, or
is caught in a given belief, it identifies with the concreteness of
the effect and forgets the subtle simplicity of its own cause; it
finds the bindu to be binding, and experiences the ignorance of the
particle, or more accurately the particle’s ignorance of the freedom
of ourself, of That-Self.

When we remember “Oh, yes, this particle-experience is not me; it is
only one infinitesimal particle in the emptiful, Indefinable,
Ungraspable That-Self,” then Brahman remembers itself, and acts as
the “Cosmic Consciousness” of the particle — and so on, as described
earlier :-)
 
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…once free, always free; we are no longer fully identifying
with the particle, or with ourselves as effect. And yes, the senses
*are* harnessed by Brahman. Experience, the Universe, is now bound
and surrounded by us, instead of vice-versa. I was just trying to
describe the mechanics of how Brahman supports ignorance as well as
enlightenment, or how we constantly recapitulate incarnation into
spacetime and transcendence through manifesting and enlightening our
particles *lol*

…This is why I say, “as Brahman I am the Cosmic Consciousness of my
particle(s),” instead of “I am in C.C.,” and “as Krishna/Karttikeya I
am the God Consciousness of my particle(s),” instead of “I am in
G.C.,” and so on — I am not in ignorance or C.C. or G.C. or
whatever; my particles may temporarily believe they are. The states
of consciousness are in Us, we are not fully contained in any of
them :-)

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There is or can be a total collapse, as Krishna/Karttikeya begins to be
enlivened, but not one in which the wholeness or consciousness is
*lost* in the collapse — rather one in which the bliss and love are
actually *intensified* to infinity by being “compressed,” as THAT takes
on the localized but still infinite *charm* and *personality* of Godhead :-)

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…Ahh, OK, yes, Jim! I appreciate now your use of the word “concentrates” — really a beautiful word there, both literally and figuratively :-)

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…the particle finds meaning only in THAT, and in turn THAT finds meaning only in the particle — both in a sense “needing” each other for maximum Life, or for a current of attention/Love to flow and give a sense of purpose, learning, expansion, joy, and so on … :-)

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 YES, from yet another angle/angel — very nicely put :-)

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I think this [expanded consciousness from a drug being maintained]
may be due to states of consciousness’ being temporarily
attained via external means, rather than fully understood in terms of the Self, which is beyond the various states. I have noticed
enhancements of love, forgiveness, compassion, morality etc. as a result of more and more of my particles’ dissolving into us — my “play” is quite serious :-) — so that *I* am pleased with me even if you may not be, as you intimate below :-)

…If it’s transient, it’s still binding, still a “state of consciousness” — when it’s no longer transient it is unmistakeable, essentially self-evident freedom eternally, across all states of consciousness :-)
 
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…To clarify, by “pleased with me” I mean “pleased (beyond words) with my bodymind,” which is to say, with the Universe I uphold — which also includes my understanding of You :-)

…it is imperative to find and follow your own path, of course, and to be true to your own goals — how else can Self unfold itSelf to itSelf? :-)

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…Au contraire, mon frere — it [CC, GC and UC being transitory states] is my direct experience :-)

…If there is an “I” who is “in U.C.,” it is very definitely a transitional state, with more (or less) to follow! :-)

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IME, “ignorance,” “C.C.,” “G.C.,” “U.C.” — any “state of consciousness” is transitory, because it’s claimed by a particle still believing itself to be “in” the Universe, subject to space and time and experience; only That which is the culmination of “U.C.,” Brahman recognizing itSelf, is permanent, because it has always been here, just as it is, and the “I-particle” eventually gets tired of superimposing difference, distinction, intellect, upon That and surrenders into the utter perfection of what is, what has always been, what will always be.

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I have certainly *perceived* — undergone, even — a great deal of shape-shifting over the past several decades. It’s no big deal to vibrate slightly differently than the standard 3-D, and to see that the so-called physical body is extremely susceptible to shape-imprinting.

FWIW the “dragon scent” at Whitehall is very strong, stronger even
than in Washington D.C. Not that there’s anything wrong with that of course — some of my best selves are dragons :-)

…it’s always hardest to see our own blind-spots — that’s part of
why it’s so fun to multiply ourSelf into many forms, so we can enjoy
a myriad of viewpoints!

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…I’d maybe redefine conventional “work” as “working in someone
else’s dream” — ergo, hard, against the current — and true Work (not
distinguishable from play) as “working for oneSelf,” and therefore
effortlessly stressful, crystallinely fluid, agonizingly delightful,
neverending-now, and stilly dynamic — but not “hard” as convention would have it! :-)

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Wow. By that definition [TM... lead[s] to enlightenment and …Mahesh Varma is…enlightened…], *I* am a TB! The mind boggles.

Personally, I’d define a TB as someone who believes that TM/TMSP are
the best, fastest, or probably even the *only* way to get to
enlightenment, and that MMY is the best, highest, or probably even
*only* Guru who is worth His salt. IOW, anyone who thinks “my way is
better than your way” is a TB. Otherwise, you’re leaving out whole
turns of the spiral, sandwiching a multicolored reality into black and white.

Your definition above does not even appear to allow for a genuine
Eclectic, who would hold the TM path is OK, but many other paths (or
non-paths) are equally OK. You seem to be saying we have to be “fer” MMY or “agin” him, period. Bush-consciousness.

Does your world really consist only of TB’s for MMY and TBs against him?

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…Nature as the Great YES :-)

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…[an organization having some TBS] appears to be a legitimate, even necessary, turn of the spiral of Life, embracing the transition from one’s first experience of identification with particular-consciousness ( POV-1; self-aggrandizement; id-chaos) to one’s first experience of identification with field-consciousness (POV-2; self-abnegation or id-submersion; other-aggrandizement, superego), wherein the Structure or packaging of the Field becomes of primary importance: a whole list of dos and don’ts to supress the antisocial chaos of stage-one, wherein those who follow our rules are like-Us and saved, and those who don’t follow our rules are unlike-Us and damned.

Without full immersion in and appreciation of this POV-2 Fundamentalism, we probably cannot move into the second harmonic of particular-consciousness — POV-3 Eclecticism: understanding the relativism of the rules, of the religions, of all the structures: appreciating the good in all of them *for those who need them;* taking the best and leaving the rest.

And without a full immersion in POV-3 Eclecticism, we probably cannot
fully Understand the second harmonic of POV-4 field-consciousness,
and open the Heart to embrace the utter paradoxical Perfection of All
That Is.

And without Understanding the emptifulness of field-THAT, how can we
truly comprehend its *collapse* into the particular POV-5 Body of
vibrating Bliss as something yet more enriching, the Physical Speech
of Ecstacy?

And without grasping the identity and continual oscillation of Large-
I and small-I, how can we begin to play with POV-6, which comprehends that in our ordinary-self we are the cause of *every* effect of consciousness; that our ordinary-self is Immense to our “particular” Selves, the devic-body that incarnates and structures every thought of our ordinary- self as divine mandate to form our paradise-playground?

And so on … ?

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How about if we *also* believe in every other technique and non-
technique, and/or the enlightened status of Mr. fire-hydrant, Mrs.
apple-tree, and even You?

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Perhaps it’s not really so much about whether or not other people
respond to you, but whether or not *you* respond to *him*.

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[Comment on:...And all the while, despite countless vows to ignore me, he can't stop talking about me]

…And vice versa, like two mirrors reflecting themselves into infinity! So beautiful! Author, author! :-)

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I (still) understand what you think he wants; you believe
he’s unsuccessfully trying to get people to ignore you. You may be
right; I don’t know. Now, do *you* understand what *I* suggested?
Instead of merely repeating it, I will try rephrasing (see below).

<snip>
Perhaps it’s not really so much about whether or not other people respond to you, but whether or not *you* respond to *him*.

I’m not tuned in to agree completely with what *you* are saying. It’s not that I didn’t understand it; I was offering a different look at it. To rephrase: I am suggesting that what Barry *says* he wants, and what he *really* wants, may not be the same thing. He *says* he wants people to ignore you; what he may really want, is to continue to engage you, to “nip” you — to do whatever it takes to irritate and get a rise out of you, virtually regardless of the seeming content of his posts. If so, I’d say his tactics appear to be working beautifully, and have been *for years*. N’est-ce pas?

…it was simply that you both *continue to pay attention to each other* — to resonate on the same frequency, more or less, he-said, she-said, into infinity. That’s all. That’s all that’s required. It really *is* quite beautiful.

…Maybe a part of him does [wants her to ignore him], and a part of him doesn’t. How can we really know?

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I think it’s likely he has *always* been partly telling the truth, and partly lying, as he most likely consists of numerous particles who aren’t always in agreement, as I think he’s also said.

This does not make him particularly *spiritual* of course — just in
recognition of his own “brilliantly Eclectic multidimensionality” (if
you like him) or “horrendously slimy lack of integrity” (if you don’t like him). :-)

Personally, I’ve found that this awareness of all-the-varied-
particles has been a *huge* step toward actually *gaining* integrity,
particularly when I’ve *stopped* denying them/mindlessly identifying
with them and started truly Witnessing them, paying detached/loving
attention to them, hearing them and allowing them to hear Me, so that
we may come together into a physical synthesis that allows all our
goals to be met — truly allows us to sing together and manifest our
shared paradise.

…Now I *do* know that parts of us (or parts of me, anyway) indeed
appear to be essentially moronic, unthinking, repetitive habit-
patterns that continually fail to accomplish the stated motives of
the larger self. But I’ve found on closer look that these habit-
patterns are usually sustained because they *are* accomplishing their
own goals as best they might; they’re actually quite content with the
status quo, and/or are afraid of what the alternative(s) might bring
them. So that’s my hypothesis here: that on the level of the patterns
doing the interacting, both you and Barry *are* quite content with
the status quo. The fact that this status quo hasn’t changed in so
many years tends to support my hypothesis. In other words, it’s what
IS, so it must be Perfect! :-)

You yourself showed me this, when I was trying to “help” you into
seeing your own enlightenment: we don’t really need “help,” we just
need to be appreciated where we are. Well, now I *do* appreciate
where you are, very much, because *you* do, and you showed me that; you showed me your infinite beauty as You ARE. I was just commenting that I see the same infinite beauty between you and Barry as It IS, but if your bliss consists in not acknowledging that, then that’s also infinitely beautiful as It IS, and I am content with that. Either way, I bow down to your infinite resplendent beauty.

…All I can see is what he shows me about myself, the stories
and patterns we awaken between Us; In himself he is (as far as I can
see) Nothing/Everything/Pure Radiant ISness, just like everything and
everyone else. As he himself has pointed out, the very act of being
attended to, of having a number of minds read one’s posting, can be
quite a rush, quite addicting in itself. I wouldn’t at all be
surprised if *that* was what was really behind this lovely dance. I
do remember as a kid I *loved* to tease my brothers, to get a rise
out of them. Same thing, maybe. Attention, excitement, maybe even a fight! Yay! :-)

Years later, my younger brother very kindly lent me his diaries from
those years, and I found that I had unconsciously acted out this kind
of behavior on my siblings *invariably* right after my Dad had pulled
something really kooky, really violent, on us. (He was a brilliant
man, very charming, but had serious addictive and id-control issues,
rather like a dry drunk — stemming, perhaps, from temporal-lobe
injuries sustained from motorcycle accidents, or maybe not.) Anyhow,
even at the time I noticed that teasing my brothers and *getting them
to explode* (partially) relieved and expressed the anger I wasn’t
letting myself feel, and let me feel superior in the process. So,
yeah, getting them to feel shamed or embarassed was part of
the “fun,” as that also (partially) relieved my own layers of shame
and embarassment I wasn’t letting myself feel, but I *certainly*
didn’t want to be ignored. So that may be part of the dynamic here.

Or maybe not? I don’t know. On closer reflection, I recall that it’s
quite true my “demonic-patterns”  didn’t *at all* want to be nailed,
recognized, thrown into the spotlight of the Witness, forced to
recognize the pain of their own rebellion and (non)existence. They
would much rather have been ignored, allowed to survive and thrive in
darkness. So yes, that too well be part of the dance; you’re right!

…God knows, we all keep on doing what we’re doing until we show ourselves something better! :-) At any
rate, I was just trying to point out that there must be *something*
in it that’s working, and working well — it’s probably outlived
most of the individuals of most of the species on this planet! That
kind of longevity *alone* is worth tipping my hat to! :-)

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…I don’t really see the people on FFL lined up into the two camps
you described, Turq, and I am not trying to heal Judy. I see nothing
in Judy that needs fixing, any more than I see anything in you that
needs fixing. I didn’t find when I tried to point out her a-priori
enlightenment, that she just “got mad.” Rather, she showed me rich
and lovely multisensory layers of a particle-self of mine that had
*not* been loved before — including constriction,  stagnation,
suffocation, deep shame, and finally, beneath it all, Love. That’s
how the process usually works for me — I introduce a Truth, process
the bodymind’s objections, and discover a deeper and richer synthesis
as all my particles come to Understand and be Understood in a whole
new light.

That’s my *only* “goal” in communicating with anyone here — to find
more of my unloved and underappreciated particles and to Understand
and Love them, and thereby to be Understood and Loved — to expand, to grow in simplicity, while simultaneously becoming more rich and subtle and nuanced and complex. It’s fun — generally delightful and immensely rewarding.

I do this because for me there is no real difference between a small
self and a large Self. Loving the small self is feeding oblations to
the large Self, expanding the influence of the large Self, helping
the Immense and the infinitesimal to appreciate each other as two
sides of the same coin. Being Shiva, utterly free, includes adoring
Shakti — every particle of Creation — as Shiva’s bodymind, the
perfect Lover.

Whether any of this has *any* bearing on what *you guys* go
through, “out there, outside of me” — if there *is* an “out there,
outside of me” — is of no real import to me; it’s not my business;
it can’t be my business. Shalom Shanti Shanti! :-)

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…Even wounded, pain-filled, rebellious, critical, superior, supercilious,
arrogant, rage-filled, hate-filled, blaming, victimized, caught-in-a-
tape-loop, stuck-in-a-rut, unable-to-listen, particles in me
eventually have found their ultimate rest in the irresistible grace-
flow of Love initiated with TM and TMSP, and more miraculous still,
have even found that their very *rebellion itself* is and has always
been perfect waves of perfect expression on the immense Ocean of
His/my Being. There has never been an error.

If you wish, you may insert/imagine the obligatory “YMMV” here …

:-)

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<snip>

…and even particles so stuck-in-a-rut that they are in
complete denial that they *are* rage-filled, etc…!..have *also* found their rest in Our Being. These sometimes take a little longer to realize the pre-existent perfection, but what is time in the face of the timeless? :-)

*L*L*L*

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My experience has been that Prana is like the covering of the Bodily
Light; the more it is effortlessly surrendered into the mantric grace-
flow of the Divine Teacher, the more the pre-existent radiance of the
Eternal Clear Light shines. The Clear Light is the Mirror of Consciousness, and shows itself to be the binding midpoint of Love and Bliss. These three — Love, Light and Laughter — are in turn a particular covering of Me, the Indescribable, the Unbound/Binding/Bound One, delighting in the adoration of Being every particle in my bodymind, playing in the stories of the fields of spacetime. From this vantage-point the progress has always been smooth and sure; at various points along the way such is most definitely *not* the case, much more like punctuated equilibrium, if not outright Hell on Earth … all most excellent stories, it turns out :-)
 
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I did not go into detail yet again on early experiences of
refinement/cessation of breath and the absorption into the rapture of
the kundalini-flow up the sushumna through its chakras and into the
spherical golden-light-body, and of the later dissolution of this Solar
Witness into THAT, the Great Immensity, and so on, because I believe
I’ve said it all before, and you apparently continue to discount it, or
insist it’s not possible through the TM & TMSP program — perhaps
because I have not, 30 years after the fact, recalled or related every
infinitesimal “stage” like water-into-smoke or whatever that your
currently-adopted tradition holds to be of utmost importance as
a “criterion” for Awakening…?

Of course, the biggest joke is, we only truly Awaken when we realize
there *are* no criteria, no experiences, no stages, no *anything* that
can get us from Here to Here! :-)

If you have found TM/TMSP to be of no value in your Awakening, well and good; I wish you all the best; your path is perfect and all paths lead back to Me for those with the courage to follow the Self Alone, but I will yet again point out that your particular experience or interpretation of TM/TMSP, while certainly valid for you in this moment, is not universal.

…I can almost guarantee that *anyone* who’s afraid of downward turns on the wheel of samsara will certainly undergo them! More of Me to Love, and all THAT. :-) I’m familiar with Joan Shivarpita Harrigan’s Kundalini Vidya and her models of unsuccessful risings. I like her general outlay of subtle anatomy, and I’m sure she offers a wonderful service, but the nonculminating rising has certainly not been my experience.

This is not to say the TMO and its TM practitioners could not benefit
from incorporating a good deal more awareness of the Kundalini process. I suspect we all bring our own issues to our own birth. Some births are messy, some are not. Blockages certainly occur, and can often be resolved through breath, easy attention, etc. On the other hand, I suspect too much attention on the Kundalini-process itself could also be inimical to one’s true Awakening, as its presence or absence can be used as yet another criterion to deny the eternal perfection of the present, and for me at least, the conventionally understood Kundalini rising into the Golden Soul — while unimaginably powerful, blissful, clear, etc — was at most but a midway station, and perhaps not necessary for all — to actual Awakening into THAT, compared to which it was but a candle in the Sun.

I like much of what Joan S. Harrigan says, although we differ quite
emphatically on the placement and function of the Hrit padma. The
scriptures cited in Shyam Sundar Goswami’s Layayoga agree far more
closely with my own experience and Understanding on that — which I
find has been central to the understanding of the true relationship of
Shiva and Shakti, as well as to the understanding of the 1 and the 12,
the unfoldment of the 27 bodies of consciousness and so on.

…Yes, *its* real signs are indeed unmistakable once realized; the Self
alone recognizes the Self. Oddly enough, no one else does, I find :-)

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I don’t know where you’re getting this from [TM administered without personalized instruction]; I certainly received all the personalized instruction I needed — both externally and (when ready) internally. Did you not get the instruction to leave when it was time? :-)

…Yes, and I would be the *last* to say that TM/TMSP is for everyone,
at all times … it’s always all about trusting the Self/self, or
whatever other “codependent illusion” you wish to hang your hat on,
until you remember there is no hat, no your, no you, etc. :-)

…Yes, you know, it’s a funny thing — when I was still one of
the “walking wounded” immediately before and after my own Awakening, I saw these “walking wounded” everywhere. Long after I had left the Movement and was practicing my own healing techniques, I would notice again and again that those coming for help were perfect mirrors of my own issues. I returned to the Dome last year and saw only a myriad of Divine Siddhas so beautiful I was reduced again and again to tears — perfect particles of my Absolute Being; perfection recognizing perfection! Who’s really been “healed” here — them or me, or is there any difference?  As a friend of mine recently said, “it’s all a co-dependent arising illusion!” I like that! :-)

Oh, and many thanks for reminding me of the Herukas — they are
*loads* of fun; really liven up an illusory party! Sal-saaaaa!

(By the way, I’m pretty sure Judy is a Dharmapala.)

*L*L*L*
 
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.. that’s what I mean about getting that instruction.[self-reference]. Much of the “really good stuff” is on that level of knowing, I’m finding :-)

…I see her quite differently, now that my own anger/hurt/blame around the TMO has been healed. Essentially in this bodymind of awareness, she’s a Dharmapala of practically perfect diamond-mind!

…Lovable, yes. Curmudgeonly? I’d say “exacting” — upholding the
Dharma of Truth to a “T” — *not* supporting the TMO “party-line”
when it deviates from the Truth, but also *not* supporting a knee-
jerk/illogical attack on the TMO stemming from the hurt/anger/blame
cycle mentioned above.

…And again, I am *not* at all sure how relevant the chakra-petals are
to actual Awakening. And yet again, the misUnderstanding of the Hrit-
padma is nothing to sneeze at! :-)

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[Comment on: (Jim Flanagan)...awakened hearts of others who don't participate actively in any spiritual practice or meditation also find the Self friendly and blissful and attractive and happy, without necessarily knowing what it is that they are reacting to]

…perhaps we could say that’s the Self recognizing the Self, without its recognizing that it’s recognizing the Self :-)

…the “prana-binding” I found to be attenuated with every new
Realization moving into the ever-subtler and ever-more-”interior,”
but culminated only with Awakening, as Now and Always Self-evidently
Obvious, Understanding and Understood, that *all* experience
*depends* upon oneself, not the other way around: That Awakening,
emptifulfillment, is a-priori, independent of *anything* in
spacetime, including *any* state of consciousness, any stage of
Being: That we are the container, as well as the contained. Show’s
over, Folks — and THAT’s when the fun begins! :-)

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…Only insofar as everyone is my past-present-futureself…

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…this was part of the Awakening for me — That Awakening to
viscerally realize That is the container of time and space, of the
illusion of evolution itself. Where it counts, time and space don’t. As
the I I had been identifying with grew ever closer to surrendering to
the ever-present That, it became progressively more infuriated. It
became more and more clear that That is realizable only on That’s
terms, not on the terms of the co-dependent arising llusion’s.

Obviously utter emptifulfillment lies in That, and only in That, and in
the surrender of the illusion into That, but to enter That, I cannot be
particularly special in That. I cannot be particularly unique in That.
I cannot be particularly esoteric in That. I cannot have “achieved”
anything at all in That. I can only be utterly ordinary in That, so
unspeakably ordinary as to be as ungraspable as That Thatself. This
emptifulfillment was rightly seen as a death-wound to (and by) the
codependent arising illusion.

In His paradoxical embodiment of the sublime and the ridiculous, the
divine and the demonic, the special and the ordinary, MMY dealt me the
coup-de-grace, but His sword was so sharp that I had time to walk away, time to weep and rage at the exquisite agony, before my head fell off.

Not the Teaching I expected, not the Awakening I imagined, but instead, the coup de grace — the Cut of Grace. That’s what severed the outward-reaching ties of body, prana, mind, and Soul. The Cut of Grace, the Graceful Cut. He had the Grace to put me out of my misery.

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Yes, I too was kind of laughing at how easily we can take an Eclectic Understanding and apply it in a Fundamentalist manner! :-)

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…what appears to be the remnants of dualism. I’m finding as we
inquire into and integrate our self-righteously scripted reactions
around warmongers, liars, false gurus, misusers of power, etc. (“I’m
better than so-and-so!”) we see that after all we have been indulging
in the false-intellect, and have only been projecting our own dramas
onto the Emptiful perfection, withholding our all-inclusive Love and
superimposing an illusory snake upon an innocent string, and here and
now find that what had appeared to be “sin” only IS IS, indescribable,
radiantly beautiful, a perfect reflection of the Self — as it has always been!

Again, we’ve often found Byron Katie (“Loving what IS”) to be very useful in helping the divisive mind to catch up with Us :-)

http://www.thework.com/index.asp

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Yes, I don’t know if it would be possible to sell out to a static Oneness and maintain one’s integrity — luckily the mind keeps showing us more promising particles to assimilate … YUM! :-)

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…I find that we don’t lose discrimination, we actually gain more
discrimination, allowing the intellect to regain its innocent
transparency: we can acknowledge and move beyond each pain-
engendering story entirely by inquiring into its absolute truth,
acknowledging how it feels in the body, entertaining the feel of the
story’s absence, and playing with turn-arounds to the story,
recognizing it’s always deep-down about *us*.

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…There are no other people — that’s why I said “as WE
inquire…” And absolutely, there are portions, particles, of me that
are still working this stuff out; we are constantly cycling through
our stories and returning again and again to the primordial
innocence.

That’s the fun of it! I like to say, it’s not the stories that cause
the problem; it’s *believing that the stories are real*. This place
is a phenomenal playground — *anything we think, we manifest!* What a treat! What an absolute Grace-gift! Be God for a day! Multidimensional, multisensory Creation! It’s just that we’ve lost touch with how to operate the system, have forgotten how it works or even that it works and are unconsciously misusing our manifesting, having lost touch with our innocent divine-ordinariness and thinking ourselves the victim of someone else’s play, of someone else’s stories.

There was a great original Star Trek episode that evoked this
Understanding very neatly — the crew went down to a planet that
instantly manifested all their thoughts, and they were plagued with
their own monstrous nightmares until they figured out the nature of
the planet — whereupon they left, realizing they could return when
they had become more mature and learned how to think more
consciously. Well, that’s Earth!

Discrimination allows us to understand clearly it is all ourSelf
playing with itSelf, telling stories about ourSelf, whereupon we
cease to believe the stories and the suffering evaporates. The only
reason I use the typewriter at all to express my thoughts is, I
sometimes find that it appears to wake up *more* of my particles,
enlivening *more* of mySelf than if I don’t! In other words, it’s
fun! :-)

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Yes, I have never been one to keep enlightenment a secret. I am just
pointing out that there may be much that remains to be done *after*
enlightenment, including realizing the relative and self-reflective
nature of all of our stories, of every particle in our awareness. In
fact, enlightenment or non-enlightenment are really not the issue;
removing the suffering around believing our stories may be practiced
through self-inquiry at any time, whether or not we tell
ourselves/others we’re enlightened :-)

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I’m currently finding there is no difference. Love what is, and we
find is IS. Seeing a difference between is and IS, is maintaining a
false duality, believing our stories — withholding our unconditional
Love for certain experiences only, terming those IS, and relegating
the rest to the is-bin. Suffering. More of me to Love! :-)

…I am not advocating passive co-dependency and denial; I am not
advocating *any* particular action or non-action — just Inquiry.
When we actually inquire into and take responsibility for our own
stories, suffering disappears, the Self remembers the Self, and
action — whatever it may be — is fearless, dynamic, loving, and impeccable.

…Yes, the “appears to act like a dickhead, but really is a good man,
and I think I can change him” is probably the quintessence of denial -
- NOT loving what IS! We can tell if it’s a story meriting further
inquiry by checking our bodymind — how do we feel when we think this
thought, and so on. Does it hurt? Then it’s not true. Closer inquiry
may show he IS a dickhead, has been for 20 years, and he’s not
changing. That’s a relief — something I can’t fix, and don’t have to
take responsibility for! One step closer to the Truth.

Still closer inquiry, a turn-around or three, will show us we *don’t
know* what he is — that *I* am a dickhead, and *I* am not changing!
I haven’t been loving to mySelf by staying in this situation and
perpetuating this story. All of a sudden, the disempowerment stops –
no longer is *he* responsible for my happinesss; *I* am! At this
point, that story’s over, and the actors are free to do the next
obvious thing. Sometimes that may be to leave; at other times
the “other” actor *does* appear to change at that point, in automatic
reflection of our new Understanding — either way, we find ourselves
enjoying more Love, more freedom, more clarity, more bliss.

…again, genuine inquiry is not a prop for non-action and tolerance of the status quo — it will inevitably result in *change*
of the status quo to reflect our new Understanding. That’s the whole point! :-)

…I am finding the (now automatic) practice to be immensely useful in
dissolving suffering and quickly resolving my stories back into
primordial radiance. YMMV :-)
 
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Quick note — Novus Ordo Seclorum translates as “New” (Novus) “Order” (Ordo) “of the Ages, Generations or Centuries”  (Seclorum or more fully Saeculorum being the genitive or possessive plural of Saeculum, “Age” or “Century” (viz. the French cognate siecle, as in fin-de-siecle, “end of the century”). “Secular” — from the adjective Saecularis, “worldly, secular, of the age” — would be a rather egregious mistranslation of Seclorum, the sort of “scholarship” Dan Brown’s supposedly-learned characters  frequently demonstrate, to the amusement of anyone who actually stayed awake through a decent humanities course in college, or were fortunate enough to take Latin in high school before it was phased out :-)

…The phrase is NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM, not NOVUS ORDO SAECULARIS. SECLORUM means “of the Ages,” or “of the Centuries,” whereas if they had meant “Secular” they would have used SAECULARIS. Check out Wikkipedia’s entry  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_Ordo_Seclorum for a nice discussion on the phrase’s origins and nuances :-)

…the literal translation is “A New Order of the Ages.” Feel free
to learn or re-learn Latin and see for yourself, or just take my word
for it, or check out the Wikipedia link I gave you before. Here it is
again:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_Ordo_Seclorum

…SECLORUM does *not* mean SAECULARIS. SECLORUM (noun, possessive plural) means, literally, “of the Ages,” and SAECULARIS (adjective) means “worldly, secular.” Again, feel free to take my word for it, or learn Latin for yourself, or consult Wikipedia regarding its nuances of meaning and its origins in Virgil’s Eclogues: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_Ordo_Seclorum

I’ve said all I have to say on this subject, ad infinitum et ad
nauseam :-), and so this will be my last post on the subject of Novus
Ordo Seclorum.

…On second thought, don’t bother consulting Wikipedia, as apparently
someone with no understanding of Latin has revised it inaccurately to
support your “secular” stance since I first gave the link. They did
forget to take out the line which says, correctly, “The word seclorum
does not mean “secular”, as one might assume, but is the genitive
(possessive) plural form of the word saeculum, meaning (in this
context) generation, century, or age.”

However, the new editor has then completely contradicted this correct
statement by — after removing the reference to Dan Brown’s
mistranslation of the phrase — adding incorrect data like
the “Saecularis = Saeclorum” material you’ve posted here. I can
certainly understand the political motivation behind such a
mistranslation, as I too believe the “Founding Fathers” (not sure
where the Founding Mothers stood) were probably following a Masonic
rather than a Christian blueprint for this nation, but that’s no
excuse for bad scholarship, is it? :-)

…Thank you for giving me the impetus, and showing me how easy it is,
to join Wikipedia, where (probably to the infinite relief of almost
everyone on FFL) I have taken my sourced case against your argument
that secularis = seclorum. As for your further desire for proof that
seclorum is indeed the genitive plural form of seclum, I suggest –
if you don’t believe me — you heed any other Wikipedia contributor
who has actually studied Latin, like Bonus Onus, or consult any good
1st-year Latin textbook, or Google “2nd declension Latin” and come up
with something like this:
  http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/caseusage/qt/Latin2nddecl.htm

(Other than that, I’ll just mention that you probably mean “18th
century understanding of Latin,” instead of “17th century,” as you
wrote here and on Wikipedia — if you’re referring to the mostly-
Masonic “Founding Fathers”.)

Thank you too for bringing up yet more particles of self-righteous
fundamentalist fervor within me who think we absolutely *know* the
truth, despite our vast ignorance, and who apparently just cannot be
reached at this moment with anything other than awe-struck, silent,
unconditional Love. I stand humbled! This is Me! Wow. The strength of
my ignorance is the sheer force of Kundalini-Shakti Herself. I love
you/me/Us! Thank you again.

:-)

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Actually, a surprising number of the better-educated Puritan leaders
were alchemists, mystical scientists, followers of John Dee (a far
more interesting character than Francis Bacon, IMO) — John Winthrop,
for example (as evinced by his fascinating library, some of the books
of which still contain John Dee’s signature and Monas Hieroglyphica),
and Winthrop’s sons and grandsons, and Richard Starkey, and Gershom Bulkeley, among others. It’s true that they believed that Salvation only came through Christ, and they (the Puritans especially) did their best to “save” as many Indians as possible, but that was hardly unique to their sect. Many of these men –like the famed Puritan missionary John Eliot — loved and respected Indians, and tried hard to faciliate their acquisition of European living standards, which many Indians themselves were more than willing to accept. Most
Indians were great respecters of what we might call “mana” — the spiritual power in a well-made object, and there is no denying that the Europeans had better technology and thus objects with better “mana”. When the tensions with the Indians escalated in the
1690s and the Indians began preparations for the disastrous King Phillip’s War, the highly influential Indian Supervisor Daniel Gookin tried very hard to defuse the situation, but hotter heads prevailed, and Gookin became most unpopular.

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…Your clarity in appreciating the Mirroring of the Self, together with Your specific laughter-flavor of Self- recognition, never fails to tickle me :-)

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I’d like to add something that ties into a recent discussion here on
FFL re past lives. While continuing to enjoy a heightened appreciation
and Love this morning of the Kundalini-Shakti flow of ignorance of my
Inner Fundamentalist, I came to notice I was standing in a Nazi
concentration camp, in front of a pile of dead Jews.

I was poking the top corpse with a fork and joking, “This pork looks
good; I’ll have this one for dinner,” while my adjutants dutifully
laughed. As “I” became fully aware of this scene and backed up to take more in, I noticed that the “I” who had been speaking was “Der Dicke” himself — “Fatso,” Hermann Goering, the biggest “pig” of them all. Talk about Self mirroring the Self!

Anyhow, it was obvious this particular “memory” or samskara surfaced
*because* Unconditional Love had ramped up enough to allow it out into the clarity of consciousness. Goering’s jape was no longer something “I would not do” because “I am better than that.” I am much clearer now on the utter unconditional Love that supports *everything* for the sheer unconditional Love of it, because it is what is, and what IS. Now, at last, *IT IS FINISHED!*

And again, lest anyone think I am *in any way* suggesting one should go and be a Nazi, or sit around and sigh beatifically, “Isn’t it perfect!” when a Nazi commits his depredations, please rest assured that I am most emphatically not. I am never suggesting any course of behavior — other than “do what you know to be right” — only upholding inquiry into what is until we see it IS, and come to know the unconditional Love upholding that which IS.

And again, I’m not saying I “was” Goering in some previous life — only
that Goering is one on-going aspect of Me who is teaching me some nice lessons in Self-appreciation and unconditional Love, as every particular one of Us is doing for every one of Us.

:-)

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…I *greatly* enjoyed Firefly during its all-too-brief flight, though I think Deadwood was my favorite show of the past few years. That constant subtle shifting between monstrous/angelic in each character, with historical overtones in that fluid Shakespearean/Biblical rhythm of 19th-century autodidactic speech, spiced with marvelous mining-camp obscenities — Yum! Unbeatable! But then, I have not yet been drawn to watch The Sopranos, or Lost, so I’m a little behind the times :-)

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…I’d not seen any evidence that *saecularis* retained the original meaning of *saeculum*; both of my etymological
dictionaries (Eric Partridge’s Short Etymological Dictionary of
Modern English and W. W. Skeat’s Etymological Dictionary of the
English Language) show it as (Late Latin), meaning “worldly, secular”
*deriving from* (but clearly different from) the (earlier Latin)
*saeculum*, meaning “generation, century, age” or (according to
Partridge, in Late Latin)”world.” Does your dictionary show it is an
adjective and give the “secular” definition at all?

(Either way, I’ve seen no evidence to imply that the noun *saeculum*
ever meant the adjective “secular”. Novus Ordo Seclorum still is
evidently best translated as “New Order of the Generations,” or “New
Order of the Centuries,” or “New Order of the Ages.” I suppose it’s
remotely possible one could translate it as “New Order of the
Worlds,” but given that that’s Late Latin and that the phrase comes
from the Classical Latin poet Virgil (as any 18th-century Latin
scholar would well know), such a translation would be pretty
unlikely.

Either way, translating it as “New Secular Order” is about as logical
as translating the cognate French phrase “fin de siecle” as “end of
the secular,” instead of “end of the century,” and writing a Dan
Brown novel about the secret fundamentalist sexist murdering land-
grabbing French conspiracy to restore monasticism at the close of the
19th century, right after transmuting the moon into green cheese.
Hey, why not? Anything’s possible, right? If we write a bad novel
asserting it, I’m sure we can pick up a few credulous believers!)

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And as an interesting aside, the Freemason Founders were probably
*not* interested in a secular (in the sense of worldly, nonspiritual,
or irreligious) world-view; one of the requirements to becoming a
Mason is belief in a Supreme Being: atheists and polytheists not
being admitted. If certain scholars are correct in positing the roots
of Freemasonry in the Templars (likely IMO), and further correct in
positing that the original Templars stem from French descendants of
the Septimanian Jewish Exilarchs (possible, IMO), then this would
make perfect sense — Judaism being after all the ultimate and
original Monotheism…

:-)

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…the ultimate and original Monotheist being Akhenaten, but some scholars are making an interesting case for Akhenaten’s being the original Moses…

:-)

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This reminds me of that Science & Veda course in New Delhi in ‘80-’81 when MMY said, “I never make mistakes”. This really poked me in my
small-mindedness and I must have radiated some pretty strong
incredulity, as MMY then looked over in my direction and added more
softly, “at least I don’t think so.” At the time I felt great outrage
at such rampant self-deception; now looking back I see how incredibly
*funny* he was Being. God, it must have been lonely to be the only
one in on the constant joke! (Or maybe he wasn’t; I don’t know. I
only know I wasn’t consciously in on it.)

It’s become so abundantly clear since then that the only *I* he has
ever been speaking from or of is my own Self; I just was never quite
Self-aware enough to see it then. And again, all gratitude to MMY and
the TMO for providing the latest course to really hammer it home to
those of us who have like me been a little slow to really get it! :-)

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Oh, but he is … making (apparent) genuine mistakes; we all are :-)

…I see no need to rectify anything … (Not implying that I’m
homophobic :-) ) … Nor would I wish to rectify the attitudes and
activities of those who *do* wish to rectify things. It is *all*
error-free, but only from the all-inclusive (“Heart”) perspective of
utter appreciation. This too is perfect.

…Absolutely genuine from the noninclusive perspective, yes. This
suffering provides one of the best ways I have found for my
noninclusive perspectives to remember themselves, to provide the
impetus to continue searching until they have come home to “Me” and
to remember they have always been and shall always be “Me.”

Wouldn’t be the first [mistake], or even the first trillionth, I’ve
made today! But taken as a whole, it’s all always only perfect, in
stilly dynamic, ever-unfolding (p)re-cognition of amazement and
astonishment, the Greatest Show on (H)eart(h) :-)

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I am constantly rectifying my “mistakes” as seen from my limited (particular) perspectives, and at the same time appreciating the perfection of everything as it IS, *including* the limitations of the dynamic particle-movements. From a limited perspective, I am *constantly* making mistakes; from a whole-hearted perspective I *never* make mistakes. As Turq has been known to say, Nature is a tragedy in close-up, and a comedy in long-shot. (Did I get that right, Turq?) Great drama, either way. (The analogy breaks down when we look at the close-up closely enough, and see it to be the same as the long-shot.) Believe in our stories, believe the movie, and we’re suffering, right there in the theatre with our mate on one hand and our popcorn on the other. And yet, it’s a great movie, isn’t it? :-)

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Because it’s all one, we “bother”.

There is no need to rectify anything, *including* my current impulse to
clarify your apparent misapprehensions of my position(s).

I write this despite my suspicion that you really do *get* this, and
you’re just pulling my leg, because I do remember when I didn’t get it,
for many years, so I know that hypothetically not-getting this is
indeed possible and probably prevalent. So even if you *do* get this
and are just playing dumb, there are others who don’t, so this may be
actually heard somewhere, somewhen, by some Being actually seeking to come back to “Me.”

I also suspect that (as someone on FFL said recently — was it Curtis?
Or Judy?) not-getting this is a Piaget-like stage of Being, like a kid
who doesn’t get it that a tall narrow glass and a short fat one contain
the same amount of water. He won’t get it even if we pour the water
back and forth between the glasses all day long; he thinks it’s some
kind of a trick. He thinks either the tall glass is bigger, or the fat
glass is bigger — he can’t see that tall+thin = short+fat.

Nonetheless, I’ll pour the water a few more times, just for the fun of it.

There is no need to rectify anything, *including* my hypothetical
impulse to call the cops in your hypothetical home-invasion scenario.

My appreciation of the perfection of what IS *includes* all our
particular dynamic attempts to change what IS. It is both utterly still
*and* utterly dynamic, simultaneously. It is both silent *and* noisy,
simultaneously. It is both mistake-laden *and* error-free, simultaneously.

It contains all the slippery opposites in spacetime, because it is US,
and we’re more than spacetime, more than any particular story.

It is — we are — whatever we put our attention on and thereby evoke from the vasty deep.

Chopra has a good analogy — if we look at the movement of the crowd in
a train station, we see people rushing everywhere in apparent chaos,
and yet there is an underlying order; everyone’s needs are being met.

To me, that’s a great description of Life — everyone’s needs are being
met. If we don’t think our needs are being met, we look closer, feel
the emotion(s), be open to our deepest need in this moment, open our
heart to receive the divine perfection being offered to us in this
moment, be open to receiving both subtler and infinitely more fullness
more than we expected, almost certainly in a different flavor than we
expected. If we’re completely honest with ourself, completely open, we will find what we’ve been craving, and infinitely more. But again,
maybe only when we’re ready to see the two glasses of water are equivalent! :-)

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I don’t know, Jim-ji; is that what I’m saying? Your summation is very
academic indeed for this poor scholar who speaks but little Latin and
less Greek.

But if I will shake a spear, and tilt quixotically at your wind-mill
(not unlike a quiet round of miniature golf), I might propose that
maybe that we’re holding ‘em *and* folding ‘em, simultaneously? :-)

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Paired ox(zen), Pair o’ dice,
Snake-eyes, boxcars, fire and ice

One and one and one makes three,
Cube those cubes and get one free

Three-eyed Devi, freightcar from hell,
All is Sushumna; all is well,
All is Tiphareth; all is well,
All things large and small are well :-)

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…I tend to conflate these two modes in my own Being, as for me
the Absolute is not really other than the relative and vice versa.
For me all the so-called opposites are merely multidimensional
labels, arbitrary placeholders to generate some story or other,
which can be a lot of fun if entered into in the right spirit (i.e, of disbelief).

I find this conflation is useful to relieve myself of the old
addictive need to think myself entirely within spacetime and so to
judge or blame or even recognize anyone or anything outside myself.
By holding myself entirely responsible for the quality of my own
creation, which is my own absolutely perfect mirror, I constantly
unfold new facets of myself I had never consciously imagined! Who
dreamed I would someday be a parent, and of such a multitude of
*odd*ly lovable children? :-)

…I would like to object mildly to calling my Understanding Neo-Advaitin, as I came by it (or it came by me) without study of or particular respect for any of these currently-fashionable teachers. Not that I have anything against them; many of them speak the Truth more clearly than I. This self-evident recognition merely awoke in me quite spontaneously when I saw that the so-called “path” was no longer getting me anywhere, nor did I wish anymore to *go* anywhere, or to measure myself anymore by any criteria but the Self alone. Everything was the same, and it became self-evident, crystal-clear, that all I ever wanted — eternal perfection, outside space-time — was already being offered to me; I had but to surrender to/insist upon it.

…my statement stands that I feel no need to rectify things, one of those things being the aforesaid impulse. The understanding that everything is perfect as it is (and as it IS) does *not* mean we are invested in its remaining that way, or are attached to changing it. Whatever emerges, we go with that, we let it be, and let it become, to whatever density of manifestation — thought, word, deed — that it wishes or needs, until love knows itself thoroughly to be love, and
we have fully digested some “new” particle of “Me”.

…Yes! In fact, for me they are the same, appearing to change only in
response to the approach we take to it, like the quantum reality’s
manifesting as wave or particle in response to the measuring instrument used.

…See, calling this the Neo-Advaitin shuffle or gobbledenonsense is
kind of like the kid calling it a trick when we pour the water from
the tall, narrow glass into the fat, short glass. There *are* no
mistakes, no karma, no suffering. And of course these exist in
abundance. Simultaneously, and arising into our awareness depending
on the instrument of inquiry used — heart or mind.

We might even go so far as to say that suffering is the echo we
give ourselves as feedback to tell our mind it is thinking
incorrectly, in a heartless manner. With enough such feedback,
eventually we get it, and subside into our own love-Being! :-)

But one of the great things about Earth is the sheer abundance of
world-views it offers. If you don’t like the “Neo-Advaitin” kids or
the langauge they use, no one’s making you hang out with them or
speak their language, are they?

:-)

*L*L*L*
 
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You may be right; I’ve certainly seen (and of course, been) would-be
gurus who apparently warp and misuse the POV-4 one truth into an
apology for the status quo of the guru’s power-abuse, to perpetuate
blame, shame, and truth-denial and thereby to repress the gurus’
followers’ natural impulses to free themselves from an autocratic,
fundamentalist POV-2 regime. And again, *in no way* is this truth
intended as a substitute for action/inaction, or as a prescription for
any particular action/inaction.

Rather, it is intended as an impetus for inquiry into one’s own self-
righteousness, projection, blame, victimization and above all,
suffering. When one has healed most of these issues and is grounded in the love of Being the Self, one’s natural humor and fearlessness shreds the cobwebs of such attempted manipulations around one, and erstwhile sleepwalkers appear naturally to begin to share in that humor and delight and strength and Being the Self.

But again, it’s all about how we (unconsciously or consciously) treat
our own particles, for the eternally-pulsating nature of our Being-Consciousness-Bliss guarantees that however we think on the simplest levels (i.e. treat the particles of our Reality, our bodymind), we will then experience as our all-encompassing Reality (when we collapse into those particles and perceive our Reality through them). All of these particles are in actuality our own perfect radiance, the wholly innocent devas of our own body-mind, merely awaiting the programming we give them with our stories.

This is why it generally behooves us to avoid “smudging” or “smearing” anyone or anything in our Reality, for in truth we are then only smudging and smearing our own bodymind, and our perception of Reality will suffer for it. Not that there’s anything *wrong* with that, of course :-)

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Comment on:

Q: Maharishi, if everything is, as you say, perfect
just as it is, why are we working so hard to change
 things?

A: That too is perfect just as it is.

…it blows apart the misconception that perceiving the perfection of what IS is merely a recipe to perpetuate a static status quo — something that apparently is *still* confusing a lot of people, if FFL is any indicator :-)

…how I “got” C.C. on one of my first residence courses… I was witnessing my brains out, and watching a tape by MMY *describing* witnessing and C.C., and *that* was what made the connection — “Oh my God — he’s talking about THIS!” Something I had had no words, no concept for before, though it had certainly been present. I can’t speak for everyone else in the audience, of course, but that surely worked for *me*. Thanks for giving me yet another reason to pass my gratitude back to MMY and Guru Dev, the Self behind my Self! You’re *still* a great TM-teacher, Barry :-)

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Totally! Experience and Understanding simultaneously.

…You are reminding me of the absolutely mind-blowing way in this last course he brought up word for word virtually *everything* I had been thinking and saying in my own words over the decades since I had “left” TM and the TMO — most intensely my verbatim descriptions of Brahman to the administrator who was responsible for my admission to the course last year, and the “collapsing particle” creator/creature experiences I was enjoying so vividly at that moment on the course  — and then going into even more detail about my descriptions and Understandings than I consciously knew.

Constantly unfolding infinities of Self-reflection… My Self, His
Self, Guru Dev’s Self, Shiva’s Self, my Self, same, same, same,
same …. Over and over, until I realized far deeper Self-recognition
than I had dreamed possible.

…*lol* No time, no space, no problem! NEXT!

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…On this latest course his [MMY] incredibly detailed and highly personal
omniscience, and his unbelievable Presence of Being, showed me
directly that he was clearly occupying and illuminating whole other
layers of my Self that I hadn’t known were there; that in fact this
*I* was a projection of *him*, who is a projection of Guru Dev, who
is a…and so on. And yet yes, it’s all very ordinary, very simple,
simply the Self. Anyhow this basically blew me away, into *intensely*
rich, overwhelmingly enjoyable devotion, and I have not normally been
a bhakti kind of guy. So yes, you might say I am projecting all of
this, but all I can say for sure is it is not the level of “I” that
was my normal hang-out spot, where it *is* pretty clearly MMY’s, or
at least MMY’s and mine when he is attending to me and I am attending to him :-) At any rate, the Self is showing the Self some wonderful Selves!

…with the Self having already realized the Self, I *had* no goal, other than to simply BE there. I knew that was all that was required of me. :-)

…Let’s take your case: when Judy speaks, is it possible that what you hear in her words is not necessarily what is really there, but what you *project* onto it because you’re focused on your goal (whatever it may be for you) and you “see” that goal in her? I think the answer to that is obvious to most of us here.:-)

But what if Judy were speaking back word for word what you had just
spoken to your closest friend that morning, or were thinking in
silence a moment earlier, and furthermore went into those words in
more and more detail until you saw *exactly* where you were coming
from, in far richer, deeper detail than you had known was there,
showing you layers and layers of intimacy, splendor, richness,
simplicity, unity, love? And this happened over and over and over and
over and over and over…? Let me tell you, whatever I was expecting
(and I wasn’t expecting much, that’s for sure, having been there and
done that and given the T-shirt away), *this* was *not* what I was
expecting from the old fellow or from myself or from the other course
participants. :-)

…I *was* able now to see new depths of enlightenment both in MMY and myself and in his supremely intimate identity with me, as in one sense the very source of my conscious I. And I was able to enjoy deeper enlightenment wherever I looked: even the Dome, that poor old hospital for the walking wounded was now my most glorious “particle accelerator,” a true siddhapura of fully enlightened beings, every one of Us one of the perfect particles in my bodymind. Is MMY “really” enlightened, outside of my appreciation of him? Are you? Who knows, and who cares?

Thanks to my Being on his course I am deriving a new and intensely
rich enjoyment and appreciation of the simplicity and power of my
Creator/cresture selves, of MMY and of everyone else. Since he was
the obvious source of my learning to BE, I consider him to be my
primary teacher. Now I also know him to BE my own BEING. Yes, BEING
is everywhere, but it also has an immense torrent at its source –
it’s like an ocean that also has an underwater fountain, and Guru Dev
and MMY are two source-points deep in that fountain, and I tend to
hang out or identify with an I in that same fountain, somewhat closer
to the surface… It’s all me, but then so are you, so why am I
writing this at all? :-)

*L*L*L*
 
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Personally, I would neither classify myself as a seeker (more of a finder if anything :-) ), nor, depite what I’ve said about finding MMY as my deeper Self, as being guru-centered. I am *heartily* grateful to him for all he’s shown me, but I don’t do pujas to him, think about him much, etc. It’s not really a personality thing at all. Besides, I *still* wouldn’t call myself a particularly bhakti-oriented guy, in general :-)

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Actually, it generally seems to be more like, Ahh! Another ME who actually *knows* s/he’s ME! Homecoming squared…

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I laugh WITH myselves almost constantly, but it’s true, I don’t laugh
AT myselves nearly as often as I used to. I found that the one doing
the laughing was often not a very happy or loving aspect of myself –
was instead a rather sardonic, distancing, cold-hearted, superior,
and contemptuous “older-brother” or “Lucifer” aspect — and I’ve
somewhat attended to and healed the searing pain in that particle so
he doesn’t feel the need to poke fun at my other particles nearly as
much as he did — which is not to say we don’t often find ourselves
to be pretty lovably funny :-)

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My memory must be slipping. I just remember good times and lots of laughter.

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Oh, so now I gotta think?

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A footnote on this exchange: In the traditional Christian view of
Witchcraft, the Devil offers or orders his followers to kiss his ass:
the so-called Osculum Infamum, the Obscene Kiss. However, in (Neo-)
Wicca (and perhaps original Wicca, if there was such), it is the High
Priest(ess) who kisses the ass of the new Initiate (in some versions,
this is part of a fivefold kiss, attending to various spots from toe
to head), and it appears likely that His or Her attention is intended
to awaken the aspirant’s Kundalini-shakti dormant there: Hence,
the “bumpy ride” comment. I apologize that this joke was probably too
abstruse and overly intellectual for many to get, although I am sure
some other hopefully-humorous resonances and harmonics were self-
evident to almost everyone :-)

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…It might prove interesting to play some more with this implied
equivalency of the traditional Christian Devil and the Kundalini-Shakti
Neophyte:

IIRC, the word “Devil” comes from the Greek *Diabolos* which in turn
stems from *Dia-bolein*, to throw across: to me implying the Devil as
one who is thrown (or throws himself) across a chasm; who has indulged in and is now caught in the illusion of prideful separation: caught like the unredeemed Kundalini-serpent at the bottom of the chakras, lost in the freezing,searing pain of fearful hatred of and unacknowledged passion for the ecstatic Oneness of her Creator.

At the same time, “fasten your seat belts … it’s going to be a bumpy
night,” is apparently from the movie, All About Eve. Eve, Havvah, Life,
*is* the Kundalini-Shakti herself, the Goddess of the Serpent. (And
the Mayic pairs of opposites constitute the Tree of Knowledge of Good
and Evil, partaking of which entails judgement or “false discrimination” catapulting one into separation from the One Creator Self.)

The last laugh *HA!* bursts forth when the rebellious self sees it has
been none other than the One Self all along; that in hurling itself
away from the Creator, it has *done the will* of the Creator, and when it recollects Who it IS, who it ALL IS, it’s all about Eve. The flying dragon, the dragon-fly, the Devil’s darning needle has stitched the One Self’s sutra, sewing a new thread of Unity, bringing the One Self to where it was *not*, expanding the range of infinity, and emerging triumphant in the remembrance of

*L*L*L*

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Hey, Patrick; many thanks! — my wife and I both caught your son’s
movie on YouTube, and were *very* impressed. I can’t remember when I’ve seen more powerfully artistic cinematography. How old is your son?

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To me, it often appears as if people are being willfully ignorant, choosing to play dumb w/r/t their own obvious a priori Enlightenment, and the self-evident perfection of all that is. Judy showed me otherwise a year or two ago, and I now know that it doesn’t seem that way to them, and that they are *not* (from their POV) consciously choosing to ignore the self-evident. I wonder if Judy’s Truth is not a whole lot like my Enlightenment: So self-evident, crystal-clear, that it is virtually impossible to believe other’s *can’t* see it and operate naturally from that place…?

*L*L*L*

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Back around 2002 when I yet had a good bit of unresolved anger toward MMY and the TMO, but was not particularly aware of that anger on the surface, and thought I was making logical, helpful, reasonable posts, Judy often ate me for lunch. :-) Since then, over time, I’ve paid a lot of attention to my old MMY/TMO wounds, and watched a lot of them heal.

This doesn’t mean I have assumed or resumed a true-believer stance
w/r/t MMY and the TMO. My “program” has continued to dissolve and
morph beyond all recognition and description, becoming entirely
spontaneous and self-directed, moment to moment. While I enjoy some aspects of Stapathya-veda, I chose to buy a great Victorian house with a lovely south entrance, only 4 blocks from FF’s square. I moved to FF (again) primarily because of the love and companionship I feel
for the Wednesday-night Satsangers; I had no abiding interest in MUM, the TMO or the Domes. I don’t use MAPI herbs or Ayurveda. I’m not a great fan of Jyotish, although I’ve seen in the hands of an intuitive practitioner it can work healing wonders, like any other richly complex language. (My wife and I were most impressed with Shastri-ji.) I don’t particularly believe or disbelieve in MMY’s old SofC model, having in turn (1) swallowed it whole, (2) seen it as a fairy-tale construct of a single indivisible SofC, (3) had fun dividing C up into other models of my own, and (4) been blown away last year by far deeper understanding of, and congruence between, my models and MMY’s. I have no real opinion on the Rajas and the Raams, viewing them as an odd and occasionally-interesting drama that doesn’t at the moment have much to do with me.

Having been there myself (and in a deeper sense, being there now, as
what I see is all “me” :-)), I can understand your puzzlement at her
seeing angry faces where you do not. From where I stand now, though, it often appears that you actually *aren’t* thinking clearly or logically, but are instead making comments from a specific wounded/resentful feeling-level which make perfect sense to  — and only to — another person sharing that wounded/resentful feeling-level: That in fact you are communicating primarily to confirm your “ain’t MMY awful” feeling-level (this I notice far more consistently and far more “loudly” in Barry and Steve than in you, Curtis). This may not at all be *your* truth, and I’m OK with that. I know that in truth, you are none of the above — you are only and completely indescribably beautiful, radiant Being. And again, lest anyone think I am criticising anyone here, please know that I am not. It is, indeed, all me, and all indescribably perfect. I’m just describing me as clearly as I can in this moment.  Most of all, I feel happy and blessed to know you all! :-)

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…I wouldn’t equate enlightenment with a compulsion to
return to a favorite emotion (or the opposite, either), but then
again, I don’t particularly see Judy that way. I *do* see her
intellect as generally crystal-clear, and that she won’t
tolerate “fuzzy” thinking. I think some of what you’re seeing as
outrage may be her belief that you must be “choosing” to think
fuzzily, i.e. to consciously lie, when IMO you almost certainly
aren’t. I know I wasn’t consciously “choosing to lie” when I would
make anti-MMY or anti-TMO statements; I was just wounded, angry and resentful and I tended to make baseless and illogical generalizations when coming from that space. (Perhaps it’s that sacred DNA in the base of my spine; I’m predominantly Irish.) God knows, my mind has *never* been well trained in logic, so you can imagine the shambles I was (unconsciously) in when coming from a victimized space! And now, the joke is, I can do nothing *but* lie! (Not true.) Whenever I make a statement, the opposite instantly surfaces to be appreciated as well (Not true.) :-)

…*I* am in over my head in a discussion of my state of awareness…:-)

Let’s just say I place no ultimate importance on the state my
awareness happens to be in right now, as it’s just another state.
Dang! Even That’s a lie. It’s the ONLY state. Liar! Liar! It’s
BEAUTIFULLY ordinary. Nope. My pants are on fire! (Who was it who
said Brahman was slippery? Oh yeah, me. And MMY. He also said *why* it was slippery: That the intellect, Buddhi, becomes so clear as to be virtually non-existent, revealing the substratum of the Atman, the Self, everywhere. And the Self is utterly indescribable, containing and transcending all opposites. That is pretty good, for a lie! :-) )

I *do* currently like to place a lot of attention on the particles in
my Being, as they love the lovin’ and it gets the juices flowing to
turn this burg into a hopping, popping, psychedelic paradise. Love is
the ultimate particle accelerator, baby! HOOah! :-)

…I don’t know. I could say Yes, but I could just as truthfully say No.
All of the above, none of the above. I can’t be pinned down, even by
saying I can’t. Because I can! Not! Can! Not! :-)

…I don’t know. (Do so! Do not!) Should it? (Shouldn’t it?) Was that
what they promised? Maybe I should ask for my money back? My selves are too virtual to be described, I think. Or don’t think. :-)

…So oppositely opposite as to be the same, maybe. I only know that I
am in no condition to ascribe to another what is not in myself, as I
am only seeing those values in those particles by virtue of the
essences in my own Being — which is why I may be entirely wrong on
my appraisal of Barry and Steve; I am only operating from and
creating on the resonance(s) of memory. In fact in one sense I am
absolutely wrong, for I *know* that ultimately there is only the
radiantly Indescribable Self singing in each particle of each of Us.

…I don’t take *Gospel* for Gospel, if it comes to that. :-)

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…Sat Yuga has *always* been here, just as soon as we take responsibility for/surrender into it…

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Hey, Happy Birthday, Curtis! :-D

*L*L*L*

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Duve, this was so beautiful that I read it out loud to my wife –
first time I’ve ever done that with a FFL offering, and a bit of a
contradiction I suppose (loudly pronouncing your panagyric to the
power of silence), but what of That? She totally dug it too. It
reminded her of her Dad, who was indeed as quietly centered as Shiva. Thanks. And for me, you’ve summed up my own current stance toward FFL, and toward the fair field of Life — simply to be Aware, to be Awareness, quietly to Be, unconditional and whole-hearted; the rest takes care of itself. On the surface this approach might appear uninvolved and bloodless, but au contraire — it has shown me through an anciently unconscious fear and hatred of Purusha for Prakriti (and vice versa) to the utter love-passion, surrender, and identity of
Shiva-Shakti….

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I recall reading on some ISKCON site a wonderful description of Krishna-loka, wherein every rock, tree, animal, building, etc. is actually an “enlightened” devotee of Krishna, who has come to Krishna-loka and taken whatever form He wishes in order to enjoy proximity to Him. But isn’t this a perfect description of Life itself? From the POV of consciousness, every rock, every Being is a perfect expression of Us, delighting in Us, adoring Us, as We adore every Being. As far as I can see, everyone & everything *is* perfectly enlightened,
enjoying and exploring full consciousness stitching through each particular fold of spacetime, sewing the threads of self-discovery in ever finer and finer weaves.

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…That’s what I was trying to get at with the stitching image — constantly crossing and recrossing the gap of ignorance, constantly encountering the not-self and re-membering it as self, suturing sutras of self-recognition. We manifest because we love to tell ourselves stories, and we love stories so much we are tempted to believe in them, and that’s where the suffering seems to
creep in…when we forget it’s “only a movie” and start to take our subtitles as gospel :-)

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I’ve always been tickled by the relationship — identity,
really — of the words “maya” and “magic” — and we aren’t doing the
word justice when we say (usually deprecatingly) “it’s only maya” –
unless we use the word “only” more literally as “onely”. It’s
not “only maya” — it’s Onely Magic! It’s all in the particles, and
unless we’re willing to be the flea(s), we can’t really enjoy being
the elephant. Willingness to be Creature as well as Creator, and to
be Creator being Creature, is where the Magic really begins! :-D

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Because happiness is the return to Unity, enriched by the experience of non-Unity. How else can we “expand happiness” except by moving it into where it (apparently) wasn’t? How can we learn and grow if not through creation, through stories? Now on the other hand, if you wish to say that in truth we *don’t* actually learn or grow, that Isness is all there ever Is, you’ll get no real argument from me! :-)

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For me a mood is a state of consciousness, and vice versa. I find we
can generally select whatever mood/state of consciousness we wish
(taking into account the various particles of the bodymind which may
object, and engaging them into an integrity or synthesis), and on
that basis, we find the senses then gather information to support and
uphold and perpetuate that particular state or mood.

…Who knows whether the wildebeest is “tormented” by the lions? IIRC people who have been (partially) eaten by tigers and then escaped, reported a feeling of euphoria during the process. All we can really *know* is our own state. I find if I take steps to attend to the root suffering inside, and heal it, my outer world changes correspondingly. Looking to (and at) the outer for anything other than a perfect mirror of the bodymind and perfect unfoldment of my own preselected state/mood, constitutes attachment and suffering.

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…for me, observing is not passive absorption, but actually *does* entail an active emanation from within to enliven the object(s) perceived. I hadn’t considered the quantum analogies to this before; many thanks.

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*lol* Yes, too bad you can’t hear my intonation. It’s about as unlike a TB as one can get … like that, like that :-)

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…I was hoping the “like that, like that” would ironically
belie my apparent distancing from the TBs, as truly I have nothing
against them and am actually profoundly impressed with their
devotion, purity and sattva. They are actually *very* real to me. It
used to bother me that they seemed so self-absorbed that they could
not see me, but I have found that the more I rest in my own Being and
appreciate their innate and exquisite perfection, the more they rest
in theirs and see mine, and there is only deeper and deeper love
between us. They are my devotees, as I am theirs. Again, no worries,
mate! :-)

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…although in one sense spacetime and growth is a big joke, on the
other hand I think M. Scott Peck put it really well when he outlined
four stages of growth: 1) Chaos, 2) Fundamentalism, 3) Eclecticism,
4) Love. He points out that a being identifying with any given stage
cannot see above or beyond where it is, but can only interpret others
as being in its own stage (“one of us”) or in any stages already
recognized and “below” it, which (generally) it is reacting against
as “evil”. Thus a fundamentalist (2), only familiar with (1) chaos
and (2) fundamentalism, would interpret an eclectic (3) as being a
non-fundamentalist, hence as chaotic, or “evil” (1). Similarly, an
eclectic (3) can only interpret Love (4) as being non-eclectic, or
somehow fundamentalist/chaotic, now synonymous with “evil” (2).

I remember exactly when I first recognized unconditional Love as an
actual presence or state, irrespective of person, and while I was
instantly attracted to it, knew I had to Be it, it also scared the
bejeezus out of me, as I realized that its very presence destroyed
all my carefully-built-up scholarship and discrimination and mastery
of eclecticism, everything I had identified with, revealing its core-
nature of semi-conscious competition, power, etc. (this was in
Harvard Divinity School). Not surprisingly, this glimpse also
triggered the onset of a two-year Dark Night of the Soul :-)

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…the deepest lesson from M. Scott Peck is, if the model helps me understand another, see myself in the other and the other in myself, then it’s useful. If I am tempted to use it to pigeonhole another, to exalt myself over another or place myself ahead of another, then I can remember the deeper implication — that I cannot ever really judge where another lies on this scale. After all, all we can see is where we are — and where we’ve been. And if another looks to be *behind* us, how can we know that they’re not really *ahead* of us, on another turn of the spiral entirely? In truth, on several levels, all I ever really know is myself! And appreciate the Other :-)

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…we cannot truly know another — ever. When we are tempted to see another as being where we have been, it may be they are on another turn of the spiral, or perhaps in another topographical universe entirely :-)

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…condemning another is only (re)consigning portions of ourself to exile, to “Hell,” for the time being. (Not that there’s anything Wrong with that. :-) ) There may be other pinnacles beyond stage 4, including what may look like pre-stage-4 exclusivity to us. All we can really know is where we are, and where we’ve been — not where another truly is, except as a perfect mirror and opportunity to love yet more aspects or particles of ourself, of the “past” we’ve left behind and which seeks to reintegrate with us, to grow into us, into our Love-Being.

…I find I don’t fully trust *any* perception of the “other” unless it is crystalline-perfect, simply and utterly divine, nothing other than myself, and the heart then says “Yes! This is the Truth! I can rest here.” But either way, if they are showing us (or we are showing ourself) something other than this, we/they are offering us an opportunity to heal, to grow, to expand, and so they represent our “future” as well as our “past” :-)

…Is Violet really “superior” to Red?

…remembering it’s only one way to understand the self, and our various particles, and beyond this is the real treasure, the “unknowable” but fully-appreciatable :-)

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Well, I’m not saying don’t do it [judge others]; I’m just trying to point out its illusory, or more accurately self-reflective, basis.

…And because there is no other, as far as we can actually tell. There is only self in various positions in space-time, superimposed upon the (extra)ordinary Indescribable.

…it’s funny — often to me, when I see these little fellows jump
out in front of my car, they seem to be playing an ecstatic game of
tag! Or “missed me, missed me, hahahahaha!” As you say, just my mental superimposition :-)

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…Indeed, tracking everything backwards into Shiva’s darkness, all
thanks to that greatest of trickster-clowns, MMY!

:-)

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From my POV it appears that you and Rick and Turq are essentially illustrating (to borrow M. Scott Peck’s terminology) an Eclectic POV, whereas the Purusha guy clearly is not.

Is he indeed demonstrating the Fundamentalist or True-Believer POV?

It certainly appears so from some angles, particularly in his
apparent refusal to allow Rick to simply BE, and to appreciate him as
he IS. On the other hand, he is describing the insights of the Love
POV beautifully when he points out that our gathering of data and our
interpreting of them *depend* upon, and reflect back to us, our a-
priori “feeling-level,” and that our first responsibility is to take
responsibility for that. As far as I can remember, this doesn’t make
much sense either from a Fundamentalist nor an Eclectic POV, but only
from the POV of Love. And in that sense, he is *fully* appreciating
Rick as he IS, describing that perhaps-only-semi-conscious “feeling-
level” stance to him, showing him the Heart and its function in
discrimination.

On the other other hand, my own Heart is not particularly stirred by
the stance of the Purusha-guy, and Heart knows its own. It is almost
as if the Purusha-guy is using insights of Stage-IV Love to justify
Stage-II Fundamentalism.

And on the other other other hand, when I recall that my
interpetration of this whole thing is but a mirror of *my* feeling-
level, I realize I know nothing about what is really *out there*, but
I have learned something about my own capacities to transform an a-
priori Heart-truth into a secondary belief-structure, and for that I
am humbled, and grateful. Thanks, guys.

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I have no idea if MMY is all that or not; much of what I’ve heard of
his “Vedic” insights strikes me as less perfect than my own understanding, as if he is working with and re-working material that simply doesn’t “fit” right, for me at least. On the other hand, I owe those very understandings to what I have gained from Him; His Presence, His attention, His grace-flow is ever and always the most awesome self-reminder I have ever been blessed to encounter; and where it counts He is always offering more than I can even bear to receive. YMMV of course, but I’ll take that over a “veda-cognizing rishi” any day :-)

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…sometimes I find silence is boring; sometimes activity seems
boring. Sometimes the boredom appears to be a sign that it is time to
be doing or Being or appreciating something else, in this moment. If
circumstances don’t appear to allow a change, then I often find that my boredom is a clue that I’m not looking closely enough at the movie — am filtering it through a belief-structure that says, Been There, Done That; “Show’s over folks; there’s nothing more to see here.” On closer look, I generally find there’s always something new and rich about this moment, whether it be something new to appreciate in silence or in activity.

Sometimes — often — my boredom is a mask for some as-yet
unacknowledged particular pain that is crying out for attention,
somewhere in the body-mind. Numbness is a natural response to continual pain, something we just weren’t able to cope with at the time we were wounded. As our Heart expands further and further into the past, we encounter these slick-spots of boredom where particular “members” of us have fallen asleep. As they begin to awaken, they often feel pain, somewhat like a leg or an arm that has fallen asleep from disuse and feels pins and needles on awakening. In both cases — psychic and physical reawakening — I find silence, relaxation, stillness, breathing, easy attending, to be helpful.

…On the one hand we’re as perfect as we’re ever going to Be; on the
other, there’s always more, verdad?

:-)

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…this is the interesting thing — for the most part we can only see
what we BE, or have been. Getting back to M. Scott Peck’s model for a
moment, on closer look it all appears to be simple, alternating
currents or strata or layers of particle-identification and field-
identification.

Thus his POV-1 (Chaos) is the emergence of small-I particle-
identification, the unruly child.

Then his POV-2 (Fundamentalism) is the first emergence of field-
identification, subservience of the chaotic “evil”-I to a larger whole -
- one of rules, society, tribal consciousness (one could argue that
this is actually its second appearance, after the prenatal mother-child
we-ness).

Next his POV-3 (Eclecticism) is the re-emergence of small-I particle
identification, now with broadly expanded freedoms. One now sees the limiting or relative nature of the belief-systems of one’s previous fundamentalism.

Next his POV-4 (Love) is a new spiral of field-identification, Being
the Perfection of what IS, and so on. Beginning to see the relative
nature of *all* of our stories, even the one giving the subtitles in
this moment. Beginning to see *we have a choice* in how we gather and interpret data — and that it’s the “finest feeling level” we choose which determines our mental interpretrations and sense-gathering. Another great relief, yet more freedom, etc.

Next we could posit a POV-5 (Bliss) wherein we BE this great field now
*collapsing* its totality into particular point(s) of awareness,
embodying phsyical, literal, bliss. Now we see that the small I and the
large I are the same.

And so on, and so on — constantly alternating strata of fluid and
particle, in ever-rising harmonics.

When one is speaking a particular or a field truth, from whatever
level, one will tend to be heard, resonated with, by those identifying
primarily with some harmonic of that given stratum. Thus one expressing the particular truth of “I-as-bliss” will resonate with the Eclectics *and* the Chaotics, both of whom are Doing Their Own Thing. One expressing the field truth of “Only One” will resonate with the Lovers and the Fundamentalists, both of whom are experiencing profound devotion and mergence with the One.

We could see these alternating layers of particle- and field-identification as themselves the alternating denser-and-rarer strata of cosmic speech….

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…”sleep-witnessing,” when the Self, pure consciousness, the Witness, begins to shine forth so strongly that we feel as if we’re always awake, even while the body is actually sleeping. It’s generally considered to be a Good Thing, one of the signposts of growing Enlightenment — even if it does take a little getting used to! :-)

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…For me, it’s being aware of different states of awareness going
on simultaneously in different parts of the brain (or elsewhere). For
me, “sleep” is ongoing in the back parts of the brain, while “waking”
is in the front, and an indescribable function –”transcendence,”
say — goes on in a “third lobe” above the skull. So, like you, if I
want to bring “sleep” into predominance, I shift my attention towards
the place where it’s already going on: for me, towards the back of
the head. And then there are the other brains — heart, solar-plexus, belly and so on :-)

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Invoking an External Authority *really* doesn’t do it for me, doesn’t
touch my Heart.  “Maharishi says” and “Maharishi said” or “the Dalai
Lama says” or “the Bible says” are so often used as a hammer to smite the Unfaithful, intended to squelch independent thought (Eclecticism) — right up there with threatening them with going to Patala-Hell. Fundamentalism, in short.

A Fundamentalist is threatened by so many “bad” things, as if they
are outside the self, things to somehow be avoided. Attraction-
Aversion still runs unchallenged. To an Eclectic or Lover or
Anandist, it’s not Doubt, Disappointment and Rejection — and Anger,
let’s not forget Anger — that are damaging; it’s the further
*denial* of these particles that is damaging! Again, it appears here
as if a POV-4 Love-truth — that we can (and constantly do) choose
our state of consciousness — is being warped into a POV-2
Fundamentalist stance of mood-making and denial. But I guess that’s
just the dynamics of how any given harmonic is interpreted by the
next “younger” one. It is fascinating, all right.

…A POV-2 Fundamentalist “knower” *cannot* comprehend a POV-3 Eclectic, but has to place them back in POV-1, as a Chaotic/evil “seeker”.

In general a POV-4 Lover has fully embraced POV-3 doubt and despair
and anger and Hell, and is no longer afraid of them, no longer sees
them as outside the self; it is all perfect, though there are
certainly residual particles from the past to be fully understood,
loved and healed …the Fundamentalist-self, for example :-)

…This is equally true of the POV-3 Eclectic and the POV-2
Fundamentalist. The only difference is, the POV-3 Eclectic is no
longer denying these qualities, so they are much less “toxic”
and “damaging to the nervous system” then they were in POV-2. Denial is tamas (POV-2 Fundamentalism); acting out is rajas (POV-3 Eclecticism); unconditional clarity/truth is sattva (POV-4 Love)… lather, rinse, repeat? :-) …

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…Among many other Master-flavors, I used to “channel” his [Swami Muktananda] shaktipat-energies in 1982 or so. BAM! Very dynamic,
but I quit tuning into his channel when I found my heart was feeling
pained and strained afterward from the excess voltage running through it :-)

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Too many puns! Ahh well, soemtime I’ll ketchup, and in the meantime
I’ll relax, pick a lily, and relish yours :-)

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When the thousand-petalled lotus first appeared over my head on a TM-sidhis prep course in about ‘78, it looked much like a huge white-golden parachute with a dark blue center “hole” — which may have been the blue pearl — from which threads of light issued down into the heart. At that time I was still doing a lot of astral-body travel, before I came to realize everything was actually inside this bodymind.

Since then electric-blue lights have manifested on numerous
occasions, most recently in people’s heads here in FF. I have never
been too drawn to the whole “blue-pearl” phenomenon, though, and
couldn’t say for sure if any of these experiences are equivalent to it.

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…everything had always appeared *outside* the bodymind, like someone in a car looking out at the passing scenery, before I realized the scenery — the stars, the universes, all beings, past and future — were in me. Then there was no need to leave the body in so-called subtler bodies to visit other timespaces and realms, as the other realms were already always available “inside/outside,” with a moment’s pinpoint of attention.

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…I’ve more recently seen there is also a way to physically accelerate through the love-light-bliss-barrier of this whole creation back into the Great Blue Being who is beyond/behind creation….

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Speaking for myself alone,…I know them,and I know how much weight to give their postings. If they touch my heart, I thank them, inwardly or outwardly. If they don’t, I ignore them. They are who they are. Arguing with them, as I used to do from time to time when I first came to FFL, felt like Brer Rabbit’s kicking the tar-baby. The tar baby didn’t get any cleaner, and I came away needing a good scrub.

To change analogies, on closer look I found that I was trying to comb
the mirror to fix my own unruly hair. The part of me that was
irritated by them was often the very part I saw in them — my inner
fundamentalist, the one who was so certain he was right, the one who
never saw the need to change, the one who had so little integrity he
was projecting all his sins out onto others and damning them.

Over the years I’ve come to see that almost always this little self-
righteous guy is generally *not* absolutely right — in fact, he’s
almost always wrong, he didn’t see the bigger picture. In my case,
the bigger picture has turned out to be my feeling-level. On the
feeling level, he’s in pain; I am not as attracted to identify with
the self-righteousness of the fundamentalist crusader as I once was.
Nor do I hate him, as I once did — the hate and the unconscious
identification being two sides of the same coin.

I’ve found this is the only way I can really reach the little guy –
through detachment. By neither hating nor identifying with him, I am
free to love him, as he is. And that’s more important to me than his
being right or wrong.

This is not to say that any of this is what You should or should not
be doing, of course. Who am I to judge You? As far as I can see, I
think what you’re doing and who you are, is great. I am just trying
to clarify why I “don’t care” about their falsehoods. It’s because I
found that just behind caring who was right and who was wrong, was
caring for the being who cared so much, and that being was in a lot
of pain. Identifying with that being exclusively, had become
intensely painful. Whether I was right or they were — neither way
worked for me. Either way, I lost! Or to put it another way,
my “belly” won — but my “heart” lost.

For me, since then, it is generally a great relief to realize “it’s
not me; it’s not them; it’s a pattern between Us.”

…For me, resistance = projection/identification = pain, and I
generally prefer detachment/love, in this moment.

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